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Didn't knowit till I watched Vikings and read up but the Vikings sailed up the seine and sacked Paris

They had a ridiculous influence on the world as we know it. Even if you just take their founding of the Duchy of Normandy (which series 4 of Vikings will deal with).
 
The Maori weren't the original inhabitants of New Zealand.

Not that I'd argue with them about it.

Any more interesting revelations?


do you have any proof that the Polynesians were'nt the first settlers of New Zealand

(i cant find anything apart from a few spurious links that say their oral history possibly mention previous inhabitants..and white ones at that - but not much more than that)

I only recently found out that New Zealand has no land snakes

same as Hawaii i believe
 
do you have any proof that the Polynesians were'nt the first settlers of New Zealand

(i cant find anything apart from a few spurious links that say their oral history possibly mention previous inhabitants..and white ones at that - but not much more than that)
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same as Hawaii i believe

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11086095

Ngapuhi leader David Rankin said books by authors such as investigative journalist Ian Wishart and historian Noel Hilliam presented "clear evidence" that some of New Zealand's earliest residents might have arrived before the Polynesians.

He pointed to numerous Maori oral histories which referred to people being here when the first Maori arrived, including fair-skinned people.

"If we believe our histories, then we as Maori are not the indigenous people of New Zealand."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Māori_settlement_of_New_Zealand_theories

The Moriori people were in the early 20th century thought to be possibly of Melanesian rather than Polynesian origin, but they are now regarded as descended from early Maori of the Archaic or Moa-hunter period.

Although modern archaeology has largely clarified questions of the origin and dates of the earliest migrations, some writers have continued to speculate that what is now New Zealand was discovered by 'Celts', Greeks or Egyptians, before the arrival of the Polynesian ancestors of the Māori.

I only recently found out that New Zealand has no land snakes

St. Patrick drove them away.

This isn't all that recent as I learned it about a year ago but Swedish Vikings probably founded the trading settlement which became the first Russian Principality: Kiev.

And that whole trading arc from Sweden down to Constantinople resulted in many Vikings, and even Anglo Saxons, fighting as mercenaries in the Byzantine army!

The 'Rus' as it were.
 
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11086095

Ngapuhi leader David Rankin said books by authors such as investigative journalist Ian Wishart and historian Noel Hilliam presented "clear evidence" that some of New Zealand's earliest residents might have arrived before the Polynesians.

He pointed to numerous Maori oral histories which referred to people being here when the first Maori arrived, including fair-skinned people.

"If we believe our histories, then we as Maori are not the indigenous people of New Zealand."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Māori_settlement_of_New_Zealand_theories

The Moriori people were in the early 20th century thought to be possibly of Melanesian rather than Polynesian origin, but they are now regarded as descended from early Maori of the Archaic or Moa-hunter period.

Although modern archaeology has largely clarified questions of the origin and dates of the earliest migrations, some writers have continued to speculate that what is now New Zealand was discovered by 'Celts', Greeks or Egyptians, before the arrival of the Polynesian ancestors of the Māori.



St. Patrick drove them away.



The 'Rus' as it were.

first link you posted was the first one i found, its not exactly conclusive

and the discovered by celts, greeks or egyptians is just someones way of saying 'the oral history mentions white men' so we'll make shit up

(yes, the egyptians were famed travellers but how do they get to NZ without tripping over anything else on the way - or more importantly, why keep going that far )
 
first link you posted was the first one i found, its not exactly conclusive

and the discovered by celts, greeks or egyptians is just someones way of saying 'the oral history mentions white men' so we'll make shit up

(yes, the egyptians were famed travellers but how do they get to NZ without tripping over anything else on the way - or more importantly, why keep going that far )

Nowt's conclusive in Anthropology mate, humans are learning all of the time about humans.

I think the point is that it's not 100% certain about Maoris being the original indigenous population of NZ.
 
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