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Jermaine Defoe - Poorest signing in recent memory

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Morny said:
There was none of that with Bent, he fit into our team perfectly. The problem is, by and large we've been poor with him in the side. I've already conceded the thread title was ott, and that I think Defoe's a canny player.

By point was that we've had three mangers struggling to find a way toto get him into the team without disrupting the balance of the side. Hopefully Allardyce has found it now.
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There was loads of that with Bent i can remember someone on here saying all he does is score goals! Agree with the rest of your post he should stick with the formation he went with last night.
 
At this moment in time, despite his winning goals, there is a lot of evidence to suggest that having Defoe has been more of a hindrance than a help.

Luckily for us, Big Sam seems to have found a way to include him in a winning line up. Needs to happen consistently now.
 
I think there's a decent partnership developing between him and Fletcher. Both are looking better as a front 2
 
James said:
Says more about the standard of player we've had at the club than anything else mind. :lol: His finishing this season has been piss poor by his standards I think, I know he's scored goals but my lord has he missed some easy chances you'd expect someone like him to bury.
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You are not wrong :lol:, we aint blessed with clinical finishers, but the lad has genuine quality, and he scores important goals, one of the best in his prime, whilst he has lost some of his edge we need him imo.

Woud be crackers to move him on.
 
Morny said:
Controversial view, but his signing has been a disaster.

Not so much as a player: despite being four years past his (pretty average) best, he's still our best goalscorer and an alright player.

But he turned Poyet's grinding, but solid, team into a complete shambles as Gus fannied about trying to find a way to accommodate him in the side. Convinced if he hadn't signed, we would have ground out a dull survival, Poyet would still be manager and we'd be moving on with a actual philosophy and at least trying to play good football.

Even after Poyet, Advocaat was at a complete loss how to us him, and now Allardyce his.

He's on unspeakable wages, until he's about 63, and three managers in a row have basically admitted there's no way to fit him into our side.

A genuinely, catastrophically awful signing, which we didn't need and didn't fit, which is the biggest shambles of the whole Congerton era of awfulness.
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:(:eek::rolleyes::cry::?:
 
DJ Doubt said:
At this moment in time, despite his winning goals, there is a lot of evidence to suggest that having Defoe has been more of a hindrance than a help.

Luckily for us, Big Sam seems to have found a way to include him in a winning line up. Needs to happen consistently now.
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Let's pretend he didn't score any and call him overpaid shite in his twilight.
 
DJ Doubt said:
At this moment in time, despite his winning goals, there is a lot of evidence to suggest that having Defoe has been more of a hindrance than a help.
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I still don't buy that.

So managers have thought they can't fit him in at times or have had to play him wide, because he doesn't give the physical presence up front and hold the ball like the ideal striker in that role would do? So who else in our squad (or over the last year) is capable of all that? Who is capable of half that?

Wickham - bullied and found wanting after about 25 mins in most games he played up front last season after 5 minutes of looking like he was going to destroy the centre half, he just gave up. Despite people not wanting to admit it and still thinking he deserved more games up front, he was much better out wide for us than he's been up front, in all but about 5 games towards the end of the great escape.

Fletcher - can do a bit of some things, can hold the ball and play with back to goal at times if played to feet, at times goes over too easily. Until this season he's always tried to play on the shoulder and lacking pace and sharpness he's rarely managed it. He is strong in the air attacking crosses, but hit and miss with punted balls up to him, because he hasn't got real strength or much height. Another not suited to a lone central role, though he's made a reasonable fist of it at times this season.

Graham - strong (to a point) can play with his back to goal. Lacks technique though, slow so doesn't get on the end of things and isn't really mobile. Not effective at all, you would have to have extremely accurate players playing to him and pace around him for him to be half useful.

Borini - haven't seen much so far, grafts and chases, looks for balls through or over the top, but isn't someone who is going to show aerial strength or hold the ball up bringing others into play.



When Defoe was signed there was a bit of panic involved admittedly and Poyet was deperate to get him in as we weren't scoring ANY goals. So he moved the squad around and we shipped a few more goals as a result. So yes you're going to lose out at times upfront in terms of giving them a physical battle and you're not going to win that much in the air. But if you're a manager who is known for getting the ball forward quickly like Allardyce is, then due to a lack of quality the ball is going to come back quickly a lot of the time anyway. I don't see any reason why we can't use some of the players at our disposal like Defoe in a counter attacking team anyway, because at the moment he's capable of scoring goals and our best option up there. He keeps proving it and then people come out saying he's the problem, it's quite bizarre.
 
Perryqhill said:
I still don't buy that.

So managers have thought they can't fit him in at times or have had to play him wide, because he doesn't give the physical presence up front and hold the ball like the ideal striker in that role would do? So who else in our squad (or over the last year) is capable of all that? Who is capable of half that?

Wickham - bullied and found wanting after about 25 mins in most games he played up front last season after 5 minutes of looking like he was going to destroy the centre half, he just gave up. Despite people not wanting to admit it and still thinking he deserved more games up front, he was much better out wide for us than he's been up front, in all but about 5 games towards the end of the great escape.

Fletcher - can do a bit of some things, can hold the ball and play with back to goal at times if played to feet, at times goes over too easily. Until this season he's always tried to play on the shoulder and lacking pace and sharpness he's rarely managed it. He is strong in the air attacking crosses, but hit and miss with punted balls up to him, because he hasn't got real strength or much height. Another not suited to a lone central role, though he's made a reasonable fist of it at times this season.

Graham - strong (to a point) can play with his back to goal. Lacks technique though, slow so doesn't get on the end of things and isn't really mobile. Not effective at all, you would have to have extremely accurate players playing to him and pace around him for him to be half useful.

Borini - haven't seen much so far, grafts and chases, looks for balls through or over the top, but isn't someone who is going to show aerial strength or hold the ball up bringing others into play.



When Defoe was signed there was a bit of panic involved admittedly and Poyet was deperate to get him in as we weren't scoring ANY goals. So he moved the squad around and we shipped a few more goals as a result. So yes you're going to lose out at times upfront in terms of giving them a physical battle and you're not going to win that much in the air. But if you're a manager who is known for getting the ball forward quickly like Allardyce is, then due to a lack of quality the ball is going to come back quickly a lot of the time anyway. I don't see any reason why we can't use some of the players at our disposal like Defoe in a counter attacking team anyway, because at the moment he's capable of scoring goals and our best option up there. He keeps proving it and then people come out saying he's the problem, it's quite bizarre.
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No doubt Borini and Defoe are our best options up front
 
Themig said:
I think there's a decent partnership developing between him and Fletcher. Both are looking better as a front 2
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Amazing what a quickly running down contract does for the fitness levels and effort of a player. Fletcher is going to be a good free transfer signing for someone next summer....He will be hungry to impress like he did when we first signed him. Just a shame we didn't get him on a free!
 
James said:
Says more about the standard of player we've had at the club than anything else mind. :lol: His finishing this season has been piss poor by his standards I think, I know he's scored goals but my lord has he missed some easy chances you'd expect someone like him to bury.
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I'd rather see him missing chances than never getting chances.
When the chances dry up, that's when you've got real problems.
 
DJ Doubt said:
At this moment in time, despite his winning goals, there is a lot of evidence to suggest that having Defoe has been more of a hindrance than a help.

Luckily for us, Big Sam seems to have found a way to include him in a winning line up. Needs to happen consistently now.
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Care to post all of this evidence?
 
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