'Just a finger spinner'

[Charmless Man]

Dint talk shite man

Morkel was consistently 90+ against the crims

IPL last year:

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Rapid that like.

Was it Steyn or Morkel?

 

[smoker]

DRS back in the day would have helped getting LBWs on the front foot. Swanny wouldn't have got 25% of his wickets without it.

Meh. Front foot lbw's offset by less people being punitively given out for 'not playing a shot' and not being able to bully the umpire. Pitches also less well protected in those days and roughed up more, test matches tended to go the full distance.

The fact is England did not produce a proper world class spinner for 25 years, between Underwood and Swann/Panesar.

Moeen is not up there with either of these yet, but he has had a promising start and improved a lot over a very short period of time which makes me suggest the lad has the brain to be a top spinner.

Rapid that like.

Was it Steyn or Morkel?

Morkel - Steyn tweeted it.

 

[johnson]

It's a different ballgame altogether the ashes. Australia will no doubt target the lad with bat and ball, the point I am making is let's see how he comes away from that.

Nobody wants him to do well more than me.

fair point

 

[smoker]

It's a different ballgame altogether the ashes. Australia will no doubt target the lad with bat and ball, the point I am making is let's see how he comes away from that.

Nobody wants him to do well more than me.

The whole team are going to get peppered with short balls as not one of them is comfortable with it. No doubt we will prepare slow wickets to deter that, but I would like to think we will spend the next 12 months working on this. Pace is the currency in test bowling and we will not be a good side until we can master batting against it.

 

[rentaghost]

Meh. Front foot lbw's offset by less people being punitively given out for 'not playing a shot' and not being able to bully the umpire. Pitches also less well protected in those days and roughed up more, test matches tended to go the full distance.

The fact is England did not produce a proper world class spinner for 25 years, between Underwood and Swann/Panesar.

Moeen is not up there with either of these yet, but he has had a promising start and improved a lot over a very short period of time which makes me suggest the lad has the brain to be a top spinner.



Morkel - Steyn tweeted it.

Fair enough. I agree with that re the quality of spin bowlers but still maintain DRS was been a huge benefit for spin bowlers as a whole. Emburey / Edmonds / Tufnell did have a bit of quality I thought.

 

[smoker]

Fair enough. I agree with that re the quality of spin bowlers but still maintain DRS was been a huge benefit for spin bowlers as a whole. Emburey / Edmonds / Tufnell did have a bit of quality I thought.

Averages:
Laker 21
Underwood 25
Moeen 28
Swann 30
Illingworth 31
Panesar 34
Edmonds 34 (quite surprised by that - decent call)
Tufnell 38
Emburey 38
Giles 40

Tuffers had some moments of brilliance, in between being carted all owa the shop!

Obviously it is impossible to say if Mo will still be there after 100 tests!

 

[johnson]

The whole team are going to get peppered with short balls as not one of them is comfortable with it. No doubt we will prepare slow wickets to deter that, but I would like to think we will spend the next 12 months working on this. Pace is the currency in test bowling and we will not be a good side until we can master batting against it.

Can't you constantly duck? Surely for people with that ability they can see it and just duck every time, or even let it him them?

If Dhoni gets a short ball, and its too quick for him, he just lets it hit him on the body

 

[rentaghost]

Averages:
Laker 21
Underwood 25
Moeen 28
Swann 30
Illingworth 31
Panesar 34
Edmonds 34 (quite surprised by that - decent call)
Tufnell 38
Emburey 38
Giles 40

Tuffers had some moments of brilliance, in between being carted all owa the shop!

Obviously it is impossible to say if Mo will still be there after 100 tests!

I read Tuffers autobiography it was a canny read. He tells a story where he was screaming for a plumb LBW in Australia and the umpire Daryl Harper replied with 'fuck off you pommie bastard!'

 

[smoker]

I read Tuffers autobiography it was a canny read. He tells a story where he was screaming for a plumb LBW in Australia and the umpire Daryl Harper replied with 'fuck off you pommie bastard!'

Hare was a shocking umpire, right there with Shakoor Rana.

 

[Mackem DJ]

Didnt realise Giles average was so shit.

Tuffers was a quality bowler, the ECB just didnt have time for his off field antics. His batting/fielding didnt help either. A bowler of his quality in todays standard of test cricket would average under 30 imho

 

[smoker]

Didnt realise Giles average was so shit.

Tuffers was a quality bowler, the ECB just didnt have time for his off field antics. His batting/fielding didnt help either. A bowler of his quality in todays standard of test cricket would average under 30 imho

On a roughed up track.

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Awful at other times.

 

[rentaghost]

Can't you constantly duck? Surely for people with that ability they can see it and just duck every time, or even let it him them?

If Dhoni gets a short ball, and its too quick for him, he just lets it hit him on the body

The thing is at 90mph the difference between where a ball pitches might only be a foot or 0.2 of a second to decide whether you can duck, pull or hook. Its not as easy as it sounds.

Didnt realise Giles average was so shit.

Tuffers was a quality bowler, the ECB just didnt have time for his off field antics. His batting/fielding didnt help either. A bowler of his quality in todays standard of test cricket would average under 30 imho

Sometimes you have to read between the lines on averages really. Giles was a stock bowler for us bowling defensively to allow a good 4 man attack to operate. As a cricketer he managed the double of 3000 runs and 150 test wickets which is a decent achievement.

 

[chopsfc007]

The thing is at 90mph the difference between where a ball pitches might only be a foot or 0.2 of a second to decide whether you can duck, pull or hook. Its not as easy as it sounds.


Sometimes you have to read between the lines on averages really. Giles was a stock bowler for us bowling defensively to allow a good 4 man attack to operate. As a cricketer he managed the double of 3000 runs and 150 test wickets which is a decent achievement.

not that decent only got it because he played lots 40 average with ball 20with bat not good enough

 

[smoker]

Can't you constantly duck? Surely for people with that ability they can see it and just duck every time, or even let it him them?

If Dhoni gets a short ball, and its too quick for him, he just lets it hit him on the body

One of my favourite cricketing moments is Sachin ducking a 'bouncer' from Glenn McGrath, it clouting him on the helmet and being given lbw.

 

[dangermows]

Typical England. He struggles, he is utter shite. He takes a few, he is world class.

 

[smoker]

Typical England. He struggles, he is utter shite. He takes a few, he is world class.

Typical SMB, conflate several different people's opinions into one.

I was shouting for Moeen to be given the ball from TB.

The same people who said don't give him the ball still don't rate him.

The fickle bastards.

 

[rentaghost]

not that decent only got it because he played lots 40 average with ball 20with bat not good enough

Also he got nee where near 3000 test runs I don't know where I got that from Nontheless people get far too wrapped up in averages which only ever tell part of a story. Giles was a handy test cricketer who performed a useful role in a good side.

 

[mackembhoy]

The thing is at 90mph the difference between where a ball pitches might only be a foot or 0.2 of a second to decide whether you can duck, pull or hook. Its not as easy as it sounds.


Sometimes you have to read between the lines on averages really. Giles was a stock bowler for us bowling defensively to allow a good 4 man attack to operate. As a cricketer he managed the double of 3000 runs and 150 test wickets which is a decent achievement.

He got 143 wickets and 1421 runs

Agree with your last point in the previous post, average isn't always relevant as giles was a decent enough cricketer for england and was part of an ashes winning team.

 

[rentaghost]

He got 143 wickets and 1421 runs

Agree with your last point in the previous post, average isn't always relevant as giles was a decent enough cricketer for england and was part of an ashes winning team.

Aye - I acknowledged my fuck up on a later post.

 

[Twisted]

Averages:
Laker 21
Underwood 25
Moeen 28
Swann 30
Illingworth 31
Panesar 34
Edmonds 34 (quite surprised by that - decent call)
Tufnell 38
Emburey 38
Giles 40

Tuffers had some moments of brilliance, in between being carted all owa the shop!

Obviously it is impossible to say if Mo will still be there after 100 tests!

im gonna go ahead and say no

not to say he won't be a useful bowler, i think he will however he has yet to face a really solid team [bat and ball]

at the minute you'd struggle to see him score runs against anyone who can bounce him out, considering india are managing it pretty easily i dread to think what he'll look like against johnson, morkel, steyn and to be honest most quicks now his weakness is so glaringly there for all to see. his bowling can only carry him so far if he stops getting runs, and his average of 38 or so in teh county suggests he is not suddenly going to be averaging in the 20s in test matches...