Roy Keane a pariah?

[shepherd88]

Baines claimed the reason he joined Everton was because he supported them as a boy. All very romantic but they'll have offered him more. Portsmouth were chucking daft money around at time as well hence Nugent going there. Keane had a lot of money but it wasn't a bottomless pit like a Man City or Chelsea so clubs could still compete with us wage wise if they felt necessary. As no doubt we could with other clubs for certain players .
People are so naive when it comes to football and sport in general. It all comes down to pounds,shillings and pence. Status barely even registers with the players.
Why do English players invariably never move abroad you may wonder. Anything to do with we pay the biggest wages do you think?
Darren gough and Adrian Durham were discussing Ashley cole earlier on talksport.Durham the non sportsman saying that money shouldn't come into it all about moving abroad and bettering self etc etc. Gough the sportsman said no chance all about what you can make. From horses mouth so to speak.
We had our best chance of competing in my lifetime under Keane and I think he blew it despite his early good work. Bruce got rid of Keanes players because they almost got us relegated and replaced them with better. He also made us big profits on Bent and Mignolet as well as giving Henderson his chance. He took over after we finished 16th and left us there with a net spend of next to nothing. Yes his time was up but he never had anything like the funds that Keane had and I don't think any manager here will again either.


Firstly this MBH thing is so boring it's untrue. If you think I'm him then crack on.
As for Bruce being like a kid in a sweet shop he brought in 23 players in his time as oppose to keanes 36. How can you aim that at Bruce and not Keane yet claim I'm the one with the agenda?
You also state that what keane did was achieve his objective (premiership status) I would suggest with the money spent that that shoudnt even have been an issue mind. Could also be argued that with him in charge we were well in our way to losing it as well!
West Brom was the first time the chants occurred by the way. Just as it was turning pear shaped as it happens!

Didnt Henderson make his debut under Keane?

 

[Perryqhill]

Bruce got rid of Keanes players because they almost got us relegated and replaced them with better. He also made us big profits on Bent and Mignolet as well as giving Henderson his chance. He took over after we finished 16th and left us there with a net spend of next to nothing. Yes his time was up but he never had anything like the funds that Keane had and I don't think any manager here will again either.

Going back to this as tbh a lot of it is revisionary nonsense. Firstly Bruce was allowed to spend £10,5m rising to £16.5m on Bent (of virtually guaranteed add ons), whom we sold for £18m rising to £24m, which because of his later career we may not have seen much of the add ons. It was hardly good business in hindsight was it?

Also the Bruce getting rid of Keane's players who nearly got us relegated. Well that's not entirely true is it? Because all Bruce done in the main was oversee the sale of players that Quinn and Short had already started the season previously with the sales of Wallace, Higginbotham, (not forgetting they'd also sold Diouf, Chimbonda and Chopra), whilst Whitehead had wanted away for two seasons.

Over the first two years of Bruce's tenure Gordon, Bardsley, Ferdinand, Malbranque, Richardson, Jones played a lot of games. Bruce simply suplimented those with one or two quality signings like Bent and Gyan (both of whom he couldn't keep) and a shit load of loans. Some of Bruce's other signings like Cana, moved after a season and we're still debating Cattermole's worth several seasons on.

The idea Bruce never had anything like the kind of funds Keane spent, when Bruce spent £10m up to £16m on Bent, £13m on Gyan, £6m on Cattermole, £6m on Gardner, £5m on O'Shea, £6m on Sess, £8.2m rising to £12m on Wickham defies belief. His 'net spend' looks better because he had a shitload of players already here he could sell without disrupting much of the first team. Bruce still spent almost £30m each season he was here on what was already a Premiership team.

Didnt Henderson make his debut under Keane?

He did yeah.

 

[Chewit]

Michael Chopra£5,000,000

Kieran Richardson£5,500,000

Dickson Etuhu£1,500,000

Paul McShane£2,500,000
Craig Gordon£9,000,000
Andy ColeFree
Kenwyne Jones£6,000,000
Ian HarteFree
Danny Higginbotham£2,500,000
Jean-Yves Mvoto Mv£300,000
Phil Bardsley£2,000,000
Rade Prica£2,000,000
Andy Reid£4,000,000

Total£40,300,000

What a woeful set of stats.

Cheers Boilermaker

Not good business granted, but be thankful for the leadership and the guts to go and do it by two novices in Quinn and Keane and the guys who provided their money.
We were dead in the water and these people gave us the kiss of life. Rough round the edges, no infrastructure or momentum and sometimes made up as they went along... But it was the foundations albeit shakey for establishing us in the EPL.

That Bruce and O Neil also had money with their experience and with the club having a foothold in prem is another story.

 

[rentaghost]

People are far too quick to dismiss what he achieved on arriving and forget just how much of a low ebb we were at. Months prior to his arrival we had protests at the games and were in the process of setting a new lowest points total with the worst squad I can remember us having. Weeks prior we were losing regularly in the Championship with no proper manager and out of the cup to Bury. I think we would have stood every chance of dropping another division if we'd got that appointment wrong. Keane not only turned it around but became the first manager to ever get us back up at the first attempt.....and it was exciting to boot. I loved that season from the point Keane showed up, it was incredible.

He did a decent job in keeping a poor squad in the PL in his first season and agree entirely that he lost his way out of frustration at not being able to bring in the players he wanted and instead going after mercenaries. He did waste a lot of money on McCartney, Anton etc.....but prior to getting them in he'd tried and failed to get the likes of Baines, Chielini and Forlan.....imagine where we might have ended up if we could have attracted those players.

That's a good post and fair enough. I admit I don't like Keane much but if you view his time here in his entirety then you have to put a massive consideration into what he did in the first instance, how quickly he turned things around, the feel good factor etc. IF you judged him only from promotion onwards I think he was way out of his depth as a manager of players and in the transfer market and he was a poor premiership manager. Nontheless its unfair to judge him just on that.

 

[FootballFan]

Keano was great for us, still amazes me people having a go at him on here.

 

[Mick Dundee]

Did they?

Dave Kitson - £5,500,000
Seyi Olofinjana - £3,000,000
Amdy Faye - undisclosed from Charlton Athletic
Abdoulaye Faye - £2,250,000
Andrew Davies - undisclosed
brahima Sonko - £2,000,000
Danny Higginbotham - undisclosed f
Tom Soares - £1,250,000 from Crystal Palace (fee could rise to £2,000,000)
Michael Tonge - £2,000,000
Matthew Etherington - undisclosed
James Beattie - fee could rise to £3,500,000
Dean Whitehead - £3,000,000
Robert Huth - £5,000,000
Tuncay Sanli - £5,000,000
Diego Arismendi - €5,000,000
Danny Collins - £2,750,000
Asmir Begovic - £3,250,000

How much did they get back from that lot? Far far less than we did for ours. I'm not denying we overspent but 1, we had to and 2, Roy wasn't the one who negotiated the finances

No chance that fee rose to £2M, he struggled to get a game on loan at Hibs in the last year of his contract!

 

[DufraisFTM]

Mig has just picked up a runners up medal and will be playing champs league this season. If only I could find that Stoke away game when Gordon hoisted the white flag whilst stood on his line as the big Stokies came at him!
Cracking shot stopper but soft as shite and glued to his line.

Have you ever kept goal in a Premier League match?