another moores classic

[johnson]

players stepping down? Swann yes, pietersen? hardly forced out simply due to a clash of characters


bell gets out to simple shots, far too many times and needs a boot up the arse to stop it. the last test would have been saved easily bar the pathetic loss of 5 in the last hour of day 4

he has the average, past tense. if pietersen is forced out, with a higher average than bell, all players should come under the same standards from now on

No they shouldn't, Bell is not a poor character like Pietersen is, and whats this shite about Bell in the last test match? He got out to a great ball, nothing to do with him.

Sick of hearing this stuff about Bell, he has been by far out best batsman over the last few years, averaging a lot more than KP did.

 

[stephen cartwright]

No they shouldn't, Bell is not a poor character like Pietersen is, and whats this shite about Bell in the last test match? He got out to a great ball, nothing to do with him.

Sick of hearing this stuff about Bell, he has been by far out best batsman over the last few years, averaging a lot more than KP did.

i said the pathetic loss of 5 wickets in the last hour and i am sorry but look at how bell has been getting out. i dont have the figures but pietersen outscored bell in australia, the last series to compare.

bell is a world class player who i am afraid gets out to the most soft of dismissals regularly

 

[TopCat]

No they shouldn't, Bell is not a poor character like Pietersen is, and whats this shite about Bell in the last test match? He got out to a great ball, nothing to do with him.

Sick of hearing this stuff about Bell, he has been by far out best batsman over the last few years, averaging a lot more than KP did.

Should probably have scored more runs at this stage of his career given his outstanding ability

Cook - 104 tests, 187 inns, 8125 runs, Ave 45.90, 25 Hundreds, 35 Fifties
Bell - 100 tests, 174 inns, 6859 runs, Ave 45.12, 20 Hundreds, 41 Fifites

Pieteresen - 104 tests, 181 inns, 8181 runs, Ave 47.28, 23 Hundreds, 35 Fifties

Bell has scored around 1300 runs fewer than Cook and Pietersen despite a similar amount of innings. Also, his average is slightly inflated by having twice as many "Not outs" a Cook and Pietersen (22 for Bell, 10 for Cook and 8 for KP)

I'm a big Ian Bell fan but I think he should have scored more runs than he has

 

[smoker]

Should probably have scored more runs at this stage of his career given his outstanding ability

Cook - 104 tests, 187 inns, 8125 runs, Ave 45.90, 25 Hundreds, 35 Fifties
Bell - 100 tests, 174 inns, 6859 runs, Ave 45.12, 20 Hundreds, 41 Fifites

Pieteresen - 104 tests, 181 inns, 8181 runs, Ave 47.28, 23 Hundreds, 35 Fifties

Bell has scored around 1300 runs fewer than Cook and Pietersen despite a similar amount of innings. Also, his average is slightly inflated by having twice as many "Not outs" a Cook and Pietersen (22 for Bell, 10 for Cook and 8 for KP)

I'm a big Ian Bell fan but I think he should have scored more runs than he has

Went through a very lengthy cack spell in his late 20's. Losing his place in the team was a wake up call. Take note Cook.

 

[johnson]

Should probably have scored more runs at this stage of his career given his outstanding ability

Cook - 104 tests, 187 inns, 8125 runs, Ave 45.90, 25 Hundreds, 35 Fifties
Bell - 100 tests, 174 inns, 6859 runs, Ave 45.12, 20 Hundreds, 41 Fifites

Pieteresen - 104 tests, 181 inns, 8181 runs, Ave 47.28, 23 Hundreds, 35 Fifties

Bell has scored around 1300 runs fewer than Cook and Pietersen despite a similar amount of innings. Also, his average is slightly inflated by having twice as many "Not outs" a Cook and Pietersen (22 for Bell, 10 for Cook and 8 for KP)

I'm a big Ian Bell fan but I think he should have scored more runs than he has

Yep fair point that, won't argue with anything when stats are provided like that.

What I would say is that from about 2009? maybe slightly later, he has averaged a fair bit over 46, I don't think he gets out that cheaply anymore, and has definitely stepped up.

KP and Cook are two of our best ever players like, the stats will beat most.

i said the pathetic loss of 5 wickets in the last hour and i am sorry but look at how bell has been getting out. i dont have the figures but pietersen outscored bell in australia, the last series to compare.

bell is a world class player who i am afraid gets out to the most soft of dismissals regularly

Nah, wrong, did you see his ball in that last innings, he got a goodun.

KP might of got more runs in Australia, but they were poor runs, I am sure Bell could of gone out and just played a few shots, with absolutely no intention at any point of batting for the team and trying to save the game. Bell at least tried to bat time, and bat for the team, something KP had no intention of doing, he was a disgrace in that series.

The series before that? Does that not count? He was basically the only difference between the sides, without him we would;t of won the series, simple.

 

[mikemanc]

Yep fair point that, won't argue with anything when stats are provided like that.

What I would say is that from about 2009? maybe slightly later, he has averaged a fair bit over 46, I don't think he gets out that cheaply anymore, and has definitely stepped up.

KP and Cook are two of our best ever players like, the stats will beat most.

I think people mean he gets out in cheap ways rather than for few runs. His problems are in his head, too many pretty little 50s/60s not enough of the big hundreds that win you games. It's been a constant throughout his career and the reason why he's so far behind Cook and Pietersen. You say they're two of our best ever but you won't find many people who will say they (particularly Cook) are more talented than Bell.

 

[stephen cartwright]

I think people mean he gets out in cheap ways rather than for few runs. His problems are in his head, too many pretty little 50s/60s not enough of the big hundreds that win you games. It's been a constant throughout his career and the reason why he's so far behind Cook and Pietersen. You say they're two of our best ever but you won't find many people who will say they (particularly Cook) are more talented than Bell.

exactly my point about bell

I think people mean he gets out in cheap ways rather than for few runs. His problems are in his head, too many pretty little 50s/60s not enough of the big hundreds that win you games. It's been a constant throughout his career and the reason why he's so far behind Cook and Pietersen. You say they're two of our best ever but you won't find many people who will say they (particularly Cook) are more talented than Bell.

exactly my point about bell

Yep fair point that, won't argue with anything when stats are provided like that.

What I would say is that from about 2009? maybe slightly later, he has averaged a fair bit over 46, I don't think he gets out that cheaply anymore, and has definitely stepped up.

KP and Cook are two of our best ever players like, the stats will beat most.



Nah, wrong, did you see his ball in that last innings, he got a goodun.

KP might of got more runs in Australia, but they were poor runs, I am sure Bell could of gone out and just played a few shots, with absolutely no intention at any point of batting for the team and trying to save the game. Bell at least tried to bat time, and bat for the team, something KP had no intention of doing, he was a disgrace in that series.

The series before that? Does that not count? He was basically the only difference between the sides, without him we would;t of won the series, simple.

johnson, please read what i actually posted. i said the pathetic loss of five wickets, o mention on bells dismissal. i did not have any figures but others have shown my point re bell is valid. as for series gone, yes bell did make a difference but its current series that matter and we have lost every type of game v sri lanka. imo we now move onto india, a better team and it is to be seen f bell can turn majestic 50 s into ton plus scores

 

[johnson]

exactly my point about bell


exactly my point about bell


johnson, please read what i actually posted. i said the pathetic loss of five wickets, o mention on bells dismissal. i did not have any figures but others have shown my point re bell is valid. as for series gone, yes bell did make a difference but its current series that matter and we have lost every type of game v sri lanka. imo we now move onto india, a better team and it is to be seen f bell can turn majestic 50 s into ton plus scores

I just don't see why you are picking on Bell, over the last 3 years if he has the highest average of any English player, he is the last player we should pick out.

 

[stephen cartwright]

I just don't see why you are picking on Bell, over the last 3 years if he has the highest average of any English player, he is the last player we should pick out.

i am not picking on bell. i have stated a few times on this thread that he is a world class player. i still hold the opinion that for such a player, hegets out in the most soft and obvious ways. as stated above he has done this throughout his career. he must have made more scores between
40 and 100 than any current player averaging 45 playing. that is my criticism of him and as i posted before, i cant see moores helping him to improve on that.

think of the opposition, who would they prefer to face, bell or pietersen? they would take bell everytime imo

 

[johnson]

i am not picking on bell. i have stated a few times on this thread that he is a world class player. i still hold the opinion that for such a player, hegets out in the most soft and obvious ways. as stated above he has done this throughout his career. he must have made more scores between
40 and 100 than any current player averaging 45 playing. that is my criticism of him and as i posted before, i cant see moores helping him to improve on that.

think of the opposition, who would they prefer to face, bell or pietersen? they would take bell everytime imo

Yeah fair point on most of it, the KP of old, but he isn't as good as he once was IMO, I don't take that nonsense about him scoring the most runs in Australia, he was just playing for himself, so they were cheap runs without much meaning. KP has been a better player for England of course, but he has been on the slide for a while now, and when a player like KP stops performing, he is always going to be shipped out quicker, because he's an arsehole and is not worth the hassle.

 

[mackembhoy]

i said the pathetic loss of 5 wickets in the last hour and i am sorry but look at how bell has been getting out. i dont have the figures but pietersen outscored bell in australia, the last series to compare.

bell is a world class player who i am afraid gets out to the most soft of dismissals regularly

Did you miss Kevin Pietersens test career?

Critcising bell for something KP also did regularly is f***ing laughable to say the least.

 

[stephen cartwright]

Yeah fair point on most of it, the KP of old, but he isn't as good as he once was IMO, I don't take that nonsense about him scoring the most runs in Australia, he was just playing for himself, so they were cheap runs without much meaning. KP has been a better player for England of course, but he has been on the slide for a while now, and when a player like KP stops performing, he is always going to be shipped out quicker, because he's an arsehole and is not worth the hassle.

the public though, have yet to hear exactly why pietersen has been dismissed. october for that. downton came out with reasons when he and kp have an agreement in place

if its stats, then others have to be judged exactly the same way. if its attitude then we shall see in october. as for runs in australia being cheap, icant agree with that, sorry

Did you miss Kevin Pietersens test career?

Critcising bell for something KP also did regularly is f***ing laughable to say the least.

i did and comparing the both is interesting. pietersen has approx 1800 more runs than bell from similar games played

laughable?

 

[mackembhoy]

the public though, have yet to hear exactly why pietersen has been dismissed. october for that. downton came out with reasons when he and kp have an agreement in place

if its stats, then others have to be judged exactly the same way. if its attitude then we shall see in october. as for runs in australia being cheap, icant agree with that, sorry


i did and comparing the both is interesting. pietersen has approx 1800 more runs than bell from similar games played

laughable?

Bell was moved up and down the order on multiple occassions and had a struggle in his early career that pietersen did not suffer. KP being the big strong cocky fucker gave him the edge from the off.


I used to pull my hair out watching KP play moronic shots and get himself out regularly, but without that tempremental nature he'd have never been the cricketer he could be.

Bell I don't think would have the same issues with soft dismissals if he'd been a big strong unit rather than the small intelligent classy player he is.

 

[stephen cartwright]

Bell was moved up and down the order on multiple occassions and had a struggle in his early career that pietersen did not suffer.

KP being the big strong cocky fucker gave him the edge from the beginning

both started around the 2005 ashes. bell was a kitten in that series. pietersens batting in the fifth test, ensured they were won

i will give bell the 2009 ashes and an innings v india at home, but out of the two pietersen is a class above.

the opposition are happy pietersen is off the scene, no doubt at all. that says it all

 

[mackembhoy]

both started around the 2005 ashes. bell was a kitten in that series. pietersens batting in the fifth test, ensured they were won

i will give bell the 2009 ashes and an innings v india at home, but out of the two pietersen is a class above.

the opposition are happy pietersen is off the scene, no doubt at all. that says it all

I'm not trying to say Bell is better than pietersen just your critcism of bell should be levelled at KP just as much.

KP played so many moronic shots I lost count, bell just seems to have odd dismissals when he looks set.

 

[stephen cartwright]

I'm not trying to say Bell is better than pietersen just your critcism of bell should be levelled at KP just as much.

KP played so many moronic shots I lost count, bell just seems to have odd dismissals when he looks set.

moronic or not he scored 1800 approx more. not laughable at all.

i hope bell scores 500 plus v india but i doubt he will.

pietersen has now been dispensed with, so i hope similar requirements are applied to the likes of bell and cook. surely that is only fair?

 

[mackembhoy]

moronic or not he scored 1800 approx more. not laughable at all.

i hope bell scores 500 plus v india but i doubt he will.

pietersen has now been dispensed with, so i hope similar requirements are applied to the likes of bell and cook. surely that is only fair?

Why are you on about runs scored, thats not even what were on about ffs.

You slated bell for his dismissals yet KP was as bad if not worse(because as a better player he should not have got out that way)

Bell and pietersen are both class I'll leave it that, agree with your views on the rest of the current set up.

 

[johnson]

the public though, have yet to hear exactly why pietersen has been dismissed. october for that. downton came out with reasons when he and kp have an agreement in place

if its stats, then others have to be judged exactly the same way. if its attitude then we shall see in october. as for runs in australia being cheap, icant agree with that, sorry


i did and comparing the both is interesting. pietersen has approx 1800 more runs than bell from similar games played

laughable?

We won't see in October at all, Downton has already explained exactly why he left, there is no smoking gun or big secret at all

Glad he is gone, sick of his antics, and we have good young players who have come in and made centuries. Team already moving on.

moronic or not he scored 1800 approx more. not laughable at all.

i hope bell scores 500 plus v india but i doubt he will.

pietersen has now been dispensed with, so i hope similar requirements are applied to the likes of bell and cook. surely that is only fair?

No because they aren't complete and utter arseholes like KP is, should of really gone for what he did to Strauss, but he has Cook and Prior to thank for that, ECB wanted him gone, but they persuaded them to keep him.

 

[stephen cartwright]

Why are you on about runs scored, thats not even what were on about ffs.

You slated bell for his dismissals yet KP was as bad if not worse(because as a better player he should not have got out that way)

Bell and pietersen are both class I'll leave it that, agree with your views on the rest of the current set up.

stats is all the can be used as pietersen has been retired. you talk about daft shots yet pietersen has outscored bell by over a 1000 runs despite those shots from a similar amount of games.

stats is all the can be used as pietersen has been retired. you talk about daft shots yet pietersen has outscored bell by over a 1000 runs despite those shots from a similar amount of games.

as for slating bell, read what i have posted. i have stated numerous times that bell is world class. look at other posters who have posted about his habit of scoring fantastic 50 plus scores, then getting out to soft ways.
that is hoping he improves on that and not slating him

We won't see in October at all, Downton has already explained exactly why he left, there is no smoking gun or big secret at all

Glad he is gone, sick of his antics, and we have good young players who have come in and made centuries. Team already moving on.



No because they aren't complete and utter arseholes like KP is, should of really gone for what he did to Strauss, but he has Cook and Prior to thank for that, ECB wanted him gone, but they persuaded them to keep him.

are you an england player? how do you know this as fact? do you think there has never been troublemakers playing for england?

they have set the standard for being removed from england duty, so is it not fair those standards are set for others?

downton was proved wrong with his statement about pietersen and forced into an apology.

 

[johnson]

stats is all the can be used as pietersen has been retired. you talk about daft shots yet pietersen has outscored bell by over a 1000 runs despite those shots from a similar amount of games.


as for slating bell, read what i have posted. i have stated numerous times that bell is world class. look at other posters who have posted about his habit of scoring fantastic 50 plus scores, then getting out to soft ways.
that is hoping he improves on that and not slating him


are you an england player? how do you know this as fact? do you think there has never been troublemakers playing for england?

they have set the standard for being removed from england duty, so is it not fair those standards are set for others?

downton was proved wrong with his statement about pietersen and forced into an apology.

What do you mean? KP sent texts to SA players slagging of the captain, even suggestions he told them how to get him out

He should of been fired on the spot but Cook and Prior persuaded the ECB to bring him back in. What other player would do that?

They put up with him while he was still performing, but when he starts to slide, they got rid, and I am glad as well.

Downton did not apologise for what he said, he apologised for saying it, as he broke the confidentiality agreement. Nothing to see here, not quite sure what you are on about to be honest. KP is a very difficult character, he has fallen out with every coach he has ever played under, especially at county level. England did extremely well to manage his personality for 10 years. Time to move on.