Next England Captain

[smoker]

That's assuming he could bat all day, which he couldn't. The point is that he scored so slowly that he would make barely any contribution to the score

Give over.

Compo's SR is around 35. Superior to Root's scoring rate down under. And a few others IIRC.

 

[TopCat]

Give over.

Compo's SR is around 35. Superior to Root's scoring rate down under. And a few others IIRC.

So, you are comparing Compo's overall scoring rate (34.68) from series against New Zealand home and away and India away, with Root's in Australia (33.27) rather than his overall SR of 41.41?

Never let the truth get in the way of a good argument eh?

 

[johnson]

Not a lot to choose from once Cook resigns/gets pushed.

For me there's only four candidates - Anderson, Bell, Broad & Prior. I would rule out Bell as he doesn't seem to be the type and Broad is a major no no after the debacle of his limited overs captaincy. I also think Anderson is similar to Bell in that he doesn't look like captain material. That leaves Prior and he doesn't fill me with confidence to do the job either.

In short, we're fucked.

The only one they would appoint if cook left would be Bell, done the job well for his county, all the rest...absolutely no chance

Not sure where you fit Morgan into the team, nor am I convinced he is test material. Surely your captain should be picked from your best 11 players


Man of the series. Best swing bowler in the world.

Bowled awfully at Headingly like second innings, that cost us the game

Those doubts about fitting Morgan into the team are quite valid. However, I think that the current Test side looks bewildered and Morgan seems a gritty, aggressive and tough character. That is what this side needs. Wont happen mind

Ali
Robson
Ballance
Bell
Root
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Jordan
Plunkett
Broad

FFS man

So, you are comparing Compo's overall scoring rate (34.68) from series against New Zealand home and away and India away, with Root's in Australia (33.27) rather than his overall SR of 41.41?

Never let the truth get in the way of a good argument eh?

Bit unfair like, Compton doesn't score that much more slowly than Root like, all the yorkshire media, Vaughan and Boycott were saying drop Compton, Root is your man, absolutely no need. What a surprise, Root fails at the top of the order, technical flaws exposed, and they all say, he has been messed around, leave him at 5. I like Root, but he has been given a ridiculously easy ride like.

There is no way Compton should of been dropped based on his test from, he had much less failings than Root, then they pick Robson, who is also known for scoring very slowly!

Why did Carberry go on the Ashes tour too? Nowhere near good enough that lad.

Compton has gone but he was well and truly messed around like, bizarre behaviour.

 

[mikemanc]

Compton averaged of 32 from 17 innings (including 2 not outs), it isn't that impressive. If you've got him doing that at 30 or Root doing that at 23 who are you going to stick with?

 

[Deleted member 35923]

The only one they would appoint if cook left would be Bell, done the job well for his county, all the rest...absolutely no chance



Bowled awfully at Headingly like second innings, that cost us the game



FFS man



Bit unfair like, Compton doesn't score that much more slowly than Root like, all the yorkshire media, Vaughan and Boycott were saying drop Compton, Root is your man, absolutely no need. What a surprise, Root fails at the top of the order, technical flaws exposed, and they all say, he has been messed around, leave him at 5. I like Root, but he has been given a ridiculously easy ride like.

There is no way Compton should of been dropped based on his test from, he had much less failings than Root, then they pick Robson, who is also known for scoring very slowly!

Why did Carberry go on the Ashes tour too? Nowhere near good enough that lad.

Compton has gone but he was well and truly messed around like, bizarre behaviour.

Well done, a bit of language and a smilie to win the argument. Pure football at its best.

 

[Twisted]

That's assuming he could bat all day, which he couldn't. The point is that he scored so slowly that he would make barely any contribution to the score

pure speculation.

the ashes series is over now so i don't see much point in this discussion but compton was given a rough deal by england IMO and certainly deserved teh gig over carberry.

edit: by no means saying he is the future like

 

[TopCat]

pure speculation.

the ashes series is over now so i don't see much point in this discussion but compton was given a rough deal by england IMO and certainly deserved teh gig over carberry.

edit: by no means saying he is the future like

Agree that Compton was given a rough ride, but once they made the decision to leave him out, it would have been odd to go back to him. Not as odd as selecting Carberry like! I think the fear over Compton is that he gets bogged down too easily and the scoring dries up which just builds the tension and invariably leads to wickets. Taking into account that he was facing pretty average bowling attacks, 479 runs @ 31.19 isn't great (nor is it terrible) but his SR of 34.68 is pretty poor. Some of the innings he played were painful to watch:

9 from 53 balls v India (Ahmedabad)
37 from 128 balls v India (Ahmedabad)
13 from 77 balls v NZ (Auckland)
7 from 45 balls v NZ (Lord's)

I think the worry for the selectors was that against a quality attack like Australia he would really struggle.

 

[johnson]

Agree that Compton was given a rough ride, but once they made the decision to leave him out, it would have been odd to go back to him. Not as odd as selecting Carberry like! I think the fear over Compton is that he gets bogged down too easily and the scoring dries up which just builds the tension and invariably leads to wickets. Taking into account that he was facing pretty average bowling attacks, 479 runs @ 31.19 isn't great (nor is it terrible) but his SR of 34.68 is pretty poor. Some of the innings he played were painful to watch:

9 from 53 balls v India (Ahmedabad)
37 from 128 balls v India (Ahmedabad)
13 from 77 balls v NZ (Auckland)
7 from 45 balls v NZ (Lord's)

I think the worry for the selectors was that against a quality attack like Australia he would really struggle.

He played a key roll in India did Compton IMO, Cook and Compton often put on 60 or 70 for the first wicket, batted a good length of time and saw off the new ball, which is vital in India

He only really failed against NZ in England, but they have a very good attack, don't agree in the slightest about it being average, boult and southee would be in our side.

No point discussing him as he won't be recalled just think England made it more complicated than they needed to be. The main reason I got annoyed was the hypocrisy of Vaughan and the rest of the Yorkshire old, slagged of Compton and got Root promoted, and once he failed, they slagged off the England set up for moving him about.

Compton deserved the home Ashes series, think he would of done better than Root IMO

As for Carberry, no idea what that was about like! He isn't anywhere near good enough for test match cricket IMO but he is a good limited overs player

 

[Voice of fair play]

He played a key roll in India did Compton IMO, Cook and Compton often put on 60 or 70 for the first wicket, batted a good length of time and saw off the new ball, which is vital in India

He only really failed against NZ in England, but they have a very good attack, don't agree in the slightest about it being average, boult and southee would be in our side.

No point discussing him as he won't be recalled just think England made it more complicated than they needed to be. The main reason I got annoyed was the hypocrisy of Vaughan and the rest of the Yorkshire old, slagged of Compton and got Root promoted, and once he failed, they slagged off the England set up for moving him about.

Compton deserved the home Ashes series, think he would of done better than Root IMO

As for Carberry, no idea what that was about like! He isn't anywhere near good enough for test match cricket IMO but he is a good limited overs player

Compton no where near the same class as Root,Compton had one marvellous season with the bat,Root will be a England player for years class act

 

[johnson]

Compton no where near the same class as Root,Compton had one marvellous season with the bat,Root will be a England player for years class act

Not as an opener he won't, not yet anyway, there is absolutely no way Root should of been promoted from 5 to open the batting, and his performances prove that.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Not as an opener he won't, not yet anyway, there is absolutely no way Root should of been promoted from 5 to open the batting, and his performances prove that.

Yeah that's fair enough but don't think Compton good enough for test cricket either.

 

[TopCat]

Not as an opener he won't, not yet anyway, there is absolutely no way Root should of been promoted from 5 to open the batting, and his performances prove that.

But he can't be blamed for that. I agree that Compton probably deserved to at least start the Ashes but I think he would have struggled and lost his place before the end of the series

 

[johnson]

Yeah that's fair enough but don't think Compton good enough for test cricket either.

Back to back hundreds mind, he deserved the ashes to see how good he was, we caused all sorts of problems for ourselves by not doing that.

But he can't be blamed for that. I agree that Compton probably deserved to at least start the Ashes but I think he would have struggled and lost his place before the end of the series

Lost it to who though? Because at that point he was a better opener than Root, and it has taken until Robson coming before it looks kind of sorted for a bit.

 

[TopCat]

Back to back hundreds mind, he deserved the ashes to see how good he was, we caused all sorts of problems for ourselves by not doing that.



Lost it to who though? Because at that point he was a better opener than Root, and it has taken until Robson coming before it looks kind of sorted for a bit.

Probably Carberry, Root or Trott. Given the fact that he did lose his place to Root and Root lost his place (as an opener) to Carberry suggests that this is the route the selectors would have taken.

Robson looks ok so far, bit worried that he and Cook are a bit similar and the scoring rate at the top of the innings could be pretty slow. Don't agree that openers are only there to take the shine off the new ball, they need to set the tempo for the innings too. That said, he had an impressive 1st innings v SRL and I hope that is the standard rather than his other 3 innings because we need some stability at No.s 1-3

Back to back hundreds mind, he deserved the ashes to see how good he was, we caused all sorts of problems for ourselves by not doing that.

We won the Ashes 3-0

 

[johnson]

Probably Carberry, Root or Trott. Given the fact that he did lose his place to Root and Root lost his place (as an opener) to Carberry suggests that this is the route the selectors would have taken.

Robson looks ok so far, bit worried that he and Cook are a bit similar and the scoring rate at the top of the innings could be pretty slow. Don't agree that openers are only there to take the shine off the new ball, they need to set the tempo for the innings too. That said, he had an impressive 1st innings v SRL and I hope that is the standard rather than his other 3 innings because we need some stability at No.s 1-3



We won the Ashes 3-0

Yeah I know but India it kind of is, as that is a prime time for the seamers to take wickets more than anywhere.


We won the Ashes mainly because of Ian Bell....and Swann, wasn't much between the sides IMO, and I am not just saying that in hindsight after the 5-0.

Not sure why I am sticking up for Compton so much actually, I don't think he should be in the side, just think Root has been given an easy ride thats all, has a lot of friends in high places.

 

[TopCat]

Not sure why I am sticking up for Compton so much actually, I don't think he should be in the side, just think Root has been given an easy ride thats all, has a lot of friends in high places.

He's one of those players like Cook - identified early on by the selectors as "one for the future" and fast tracked into the team and identified as a potential future captain. He is (and will be) given more lives than the likes of Compton, Carberry, Bairstow etc and allowed to learn the skills needed as an International Cricketer whilst playing test matches.

I think he is an excellent cricketer and just needs to sort his technique out a tad. It's likely that he will stay at 4 or 5 throughout his career as I don't think he has what it takes to be an opener

 

[johnson]

He's one of those players like Cook - identified early on by the selectors as "one for the future" and fast tracked into the team and identified as a potential future captain. He is (and will be) given more lives than the likes of Compton, Carberry, Bairstow etc and allowed to learn the skills needed as an International Cricketer whilst playing test matches.

I think he is an excellent cricketer and just needs to sort his technique out a tad. It's likely that he will stay at 4 or 5 throughout his career as I don't think he has what it takes to be an opener

I don't disagree with any of that mate (one of the reasons Stokes should be playing every game) but he was fine at 5, he doesn't have the technique to open in test match cricket, not sure how he managed it for Yorkshire to be honest, he is a textbook middle order player.

 

[TopCat]

I don't disagree with any of that mate (one of the reasons Stokes should be playing every game) but he was fine at 5, he doesn't have the technique to open in test match cricket, not sure how he managed it for Yorkshire to be honest, he is a textbook middle order player.

Plenty of average trundlers on the county circuit who have to cut down their runs up/bowling speed to allow their bodies to cope with the demands of domestic cricket

 

[Twisted]

9 from 53 balls v India (Ahmedabad)
37 from 128 balls v India (Ahmedabad)
13 from 77 balls v NZ (Auckland)
7 from 45 balls v NZ (Lord's)

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We won the Ashes 3-0

haway man flukey as fuck and totally undeserved, a drawn series would have been a fairer result but they weren't far from winning that series either. 3-0 flattered us beyond belief.

 

[payne]

Can cricket teams not pick the captain for each game depending on who's selected? Seems to me a player gets extra leeway in terms of games to improve after poor performances if he's captain.