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Cattermole for England?

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gardni said:
i hate these joke threads, so many people bite.

Anyone that actually genuinely believes cattermole should play for england, should be put out of their misery.
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Just because someone has a different opinion than you?

Name a better english defensive midfielder in the country. Please I would love to hear your opinion.
 
Keith S30S said:
Good post. The likes of Cleverly and Carrick were turd last season.
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We try and fit players in to a system they are not suited too Keith. I'd rather have a good specialist defensive midfielder playing that position, than a supposed 'class' midfielder like Gerrard who can not play that position.

Another thing that I don't get is the left wing position. This is a position that we don't have even an average left winger to fill.

We keep forcing the left wing position on Welbeck and Rooney(read scholes to). Yet everyone here will agree that Baines is brilliant going forward and is a wingback not an out and out lb, most will say that Shaw is potentially a fantastic lb. Baines plays on the left wing half the time for Everton anyway.

So why not try Baines on the left and Shaw at lb? Other teams have done it so why not us? wtf would we have to lose?
 
Az* said:
We try and fit players in to a system they are not suited too Keith. I'd rather have a good specialist defensive midfielder playing that position, than a supposed 'class' midfielder like Gerrard who can not play that position.

Another thing that I don't get is the left wing position. This is a position that we don't have even an average left winger to fill.

We keep forcing the left wing position on Welbeck and Rooney(read scholes to). Yet everyone here will agree that Baines is brilliant going forward and is a wingback not an out and out lb, most will say that Shaw is potentially a fantastic lb. Baines plays on the left wing half the time for Everton anyway.

So why not try Baines on the left and Shaw at lb? Other teams have done it so why not us? wtf would we have to lose?
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Baines plays like a schoolboy playing with the big lads when he plays for England, he turns into a complete melt.
 
James said:
Baines plays like a schoolboy playing with the big lads when he plays for England, he turns into a complete melt.
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I think he's been poor as piss defensively, at Everton he has a genuine left winger who
works hard to protect him. He doesn't get that for England.

I'd have played Shaw but if Welbeck was in front of him or Rooney, I suspect he'd have looked like a melt to(whatever that means).
 
Az* said:
I think he's been poor as piss defensively, at Everton he has a genuine left winger who
works hard to protect him. He doesn't get that for England.

I'd have played Shaw but if Welbeck was in front of him or Rooney, I suspect he'd have looked like a melt to(whatever that means).
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Quinninho said:
England haven't had a decent ball winner since the days of Ince\Batty! We've too many 'Fancy Dans' trying to play the Hollywood pass.

I can see where the OP is coming from and agree that we need a player of this ilk - but Catts is neither disciplined or clever enough for International football.
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Don't understand this at all, he was disciplined and clever enough against Man City and they have a far better team than anyone at the world cup.
 
Brown, Catts, Johnson, Wickham... Yup, about half of the England squad should come from Sunderland. :)

hexhamali said:
Don't understand this at all, he was disciplined and clever enough against Man City and they have a far better team than anyone at the world cup.
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It was the game were he lost the ball in a dangerous position and they scored?
 
gardni said:
i hate these joke threads, so many people bite.

Anyone that actually genuinely believes cattermole should play for england, should be put out of their misery.
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really why shouldn't he... I seem to remember the likes of Peter Reid and Carlton Palmer playing for England... were they any better ?
 
They have no defensive midfielders bar Gerrard, it was always such an obvious flaw in Hodgson's selection. It's all well and good selecting talented attacking players but you can only play so many of them at a time. Like Waddle said, you need a balance. The media undeniably play a part in pressurising the players and manager which leads to poor decisions both on and off the pitch. Only other English defensive midfielder I can think of who is better than Cattermole is Gareth Barry who had a great season at Everton, even if I'm not his biggest fan. It certainly isn't a ridiculous proposition to consider him, people laugh at the prospect because they are so attune with the media's idealistic vision of England. Not all players need to be fast or playing for a top club; sometimes you just need a battler.
 
raven_5 said:
Brown, Catts, Johnson, Wickham... Yup, about half of the England squad should come from Sunderland. :)


It was the game were he lost the ball in a dangerous position and they scored?
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He then proceeded to drive us on. I think the suggestion sounds ridiculous until you actually think about the other options for England, Cattermole is comfortably the best of them.
 
Jammin said:
They have no defensive midfielders bar Gerrard, it was always such an obvious flaw in Hodgson's selection. It's all well and good selecting talented attacking players but you can only play so many of them at a time. Like Waddle said, you need a balance. The media undeniably play a part in pressurising the players and manager which leads to poor decisions both on and off the pitch. Only other English defensive midfielder I can think of who is better than Cattermole is Gareth Barry who had a great season at Everton, even if I'm not his biggest fan. It certainly isn't a ridiculous proposition to consider him, people laugh at the prospect because they are so attune with the media's idealistic vision of England. Not all players need to be fast or playing for a top club; sometimes you just need a battler.
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Good post, the media has way too much influence for some reason, and the ironic thing is when did you last read a piece which actually made good sense? Most of it is written by people who clearly don't understand the game.
 
ChrisAshley said:
Would you agree we need a midfielder who puts his foot in and who has drive? Which defensive midfielder would you have infront of him?
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Gareth Barry. Comfortably.

I wouldn't play either of them btw, as the 'defensive midfielder' role is completely outdated.
 
I'm one of his biggest fans, but he'll never play for England.

That's not to say I don't think he's good enough either because he's better than a lot who've had caps recently.
 
Sima said:
Gareth Barry. Comfortably.

I wouldn't play either of them btw, as the 'defensive midfielder' role is completely outdated.
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It depends what tactics you play.

I will use Chile as an example but there are other teams who do the same. They play a high pressing game and hunt in packs but waste loads of energy running around. They cope because of the extreme physical condition they are in.

English players are less mobile and so need to have a shape to fall back in to and having a defensive midfielder makes sense.
 
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