Steve Bruce

[zinedine]

Once again you choose to concentrate on the "Bonny lad" part as oppose to the hypocrisy of taking exception to that whilst suggesting Bruce just accepts being called a fat Geordie bastard!
I also never said Bruce did a better job than Reid here so no idea why you brought that up.


When did he sat we threw darts at him? I'm pretty sure he said something along lines of fans would like to or pic of him on dartboard but why let the truth get in way of a good story ey!

Bonny lad isn't an insult it's just patronising so that's a daft comparison. You can call me what you like its water off a ducks back but you'll find that like myself people don't like being patronised or talked down to

Do you really think Bruce cares about what he gets called? He's a rich man from the back of football, he'll not give a toss. He just pretends to care to deflect away from the disaster he left our club in.
Look at pardew and Moyes and the way they have been treated and insulted by their clubs fans. Makes a few of us calling bruce a fgb pale into insignificance. We didn't fly a banner over the ground or paint what we thought on giant sheets for all the world to see. That's being humiliated not a few insults fired from the stands which are par for the course when you badly manage a football club.

I might have misunderstood your Reid Bruce comments. I've read them again and I think I now know what you meant.

 

[Mrjardine]

Bonny lad isn't an insult it's just patronising so that's a daft comparison. You can call me what you like its water off a ducks back but you'll find that like myself people don't like being patronised or talked down to

Do you really think Bruce cares about what he gets called? He's a rich man from the back of football, he'll not give a toss. He just pretends to care to deflect away from the disaster he left our club in.
Look at pardew and Moyes and the way they have been treated and insulted by their clubs fans. Makes a few of us calling bruce a fgb pale into insignificance. We didn't fly a banner over the ground or paint what we thought on giant sheets for all the world to see. That's being humiliated not a few insults fired from the stands which are par for the course when you badly manage a football club.

I might have misunderstood your Reid Bruce comments. I've read them again and I think I now know what you meant.

I don't think Bruce did like it to be honest. Probably not so much the words but the venom with which it was said.Like I say it's all about context.
Pardew has had a lot of grief I grant you and thus far has took it well however if the day comes he gets the boot hel have a lot to say I reckon as he no shrinking violet.
Not sure how you misunderstood my Reid and Bruce comments but it's cleared up now so never mind.

 

[Hair Flick]

Indeed. Another 17 page thread of vitriol directed at a manager who is long gone and who has been succeeded by how many others?

His heinous crime? To point out that there were unrealistic ambitions around Sunderland. Yet the very same point is raised on the FFP thread and passes unnoticed or unremarked upon.

17 pages that you have trawled through? Impressive, I get bored shitless after about 3 posts on a NUFC board once every couple of years or so.

What was unrealistic about our ambitions exactly? What were those ambitions specifically and what was it about them that were unrealistic? I'd say a majority of our fans would have taken Hull's season, for example, as a reasonable season, or indeed ours if you could conveniently ignore the perennial relegation struggles except for when Wor Steve took us to the heady heights of tenth place. Tenth place yer knaa.

 

[Maravilla]

Indeed. Another 17 page thread of vitriol directed at a manager who is long gone and who has been succeeded by how many others?

His heinous crime? To point out that there were unrealistic ambitions around Sunderland. Yet the very same point is raised on the FFP thread and passes unnoticed or unremarked upon. And at what point in subsequent interviews does he deliberately turn the chat around to his time with you? He answers the interviewers question, quite possibly wishing the very question wasn't raised in the first place.

And finally, to answer a question, yes, that was our first Cup Final. Courtesy of a pretty cushy draw, and a manager in the quarter final who obviously did not realise that a third division side stood between the winners of that tie and a day out at Wembley. If I was a Sunderland supporter, anything that has been said or could be said about Steve Bruce would pale into insignificance, compared to the foam mouthed expletives for that lash up.

Or do I just wait for Gus Poyet to come out and say, well I kept them up, and got them to a League cup final, before he gets the volleys of abuse?

Hope this doesn't cause too much offence, it is not typed to cause same. My realistic ambitions for next year? Tell the powers that be "thank you for the invite into your cup competition but we got there by default so will not be taking part". 16th 17th will do nicely in the league. And hey, these cup days out are bloody good aren't they. Would like another one of them.

Good luck for next season.

What unrealistic expectations are there around Sunderland exactly?

 

[Nelson!]

It's all about context.Some posts and photos about his weight are quite funny (particularly like the mobility scooter one) however there was nothing light hearted about the abuse against Wigan trust me.

You've been completely taken in by his manipulative twaddle. He's played the victim, like he does every time he loses, to deflect from his massive failure and missed opportunity here.

He goes on like he's the only manager to ever get abuse from football supporters, it wasn't even that bad.....hardly death threats and sustained violent abuse, just a remark about his weight and background at THE END of ONE GAME. It must have lasted a couple of minutes at most. Of course in typical Bruce fashion, he's managed to twist it so it;s the only thing anyone talks about and not his THIRD diabolical run of results which came immediately before his sacking.

If he was as good a manager as he was at making excuses he's have won the champions league by now.

 

[potential]

17 pages that you have trawled through? Impressive, I get bored shitless after about 3 posts on a NUFC board once every couple of years or so.

What was unrealistic about our ambitions exactly? What were those ambitions specifically and what was it about them that were unrealistic? I'd say a majority of our fans would have taken Hull's season, for example, as a reasonable season, or indeed ours if you could conveniently ignore the perennial relegation struggles except for when Wor Steve took us to the heady heights of tenth place. Tenth place yer knaa.

Sorry to give you the impression I had read every one of the preceding pages, I hadn't. Just saw yet another Steve Bruce thread and jumped in at the end.

What unrealistic expectations are there around Sunderland exactly?

You are asking me, a Hull City supporter, what are realistic ambitions/expectations for Sunderland? That is for you to state, not me. You are the club with the billionaire chairman, ours is a mere multi-millionaire. (bloody pauper!!)

 

[Mrjardine]

You've been completely taken in by his manipulative twaddle. He's played the victim, like he does every time he loses, to deflect from his massive failure and missed opportunity here.

He goes on like he's the only manager to ever get abuse from football supporters, it wasn't even that bad.....hardly death threats and sustained violent abuse, just a remark about his weight and background at THE END of ONE GAME. It must have lasted a couple of minutes at most. Of course in typical Bruce fashion, he's managed to twist it so it;s the only thing anyone talks about and not his THIRD diabolical run of results which came immediately before his sacking.

If he was as good a manager as he was at making excuses he's have won the champions league by now.

Read my posts I said he was searching for reasons as he felt hard done by and this was one of them.There were also murmurings in games before so it wasn't just the one game but Wigan was certainly when it reached its pinnacle.
I have also said that it was time for Bruce to go something which people on here seem to gloss over as they are continually trying to paint me as some kind of Bruce apologist which I'm certainly not.
I don't think he's a great manager but certainly not a bad one and we've had a helluva lot worse.What supporters don't like is being given some back wether it be from a player or a manager yet are more than happy to dish it out. Bruce got pelters and he's since used his right to reply,not excessively in my view as the sensationalists would have you believe but when asked he's gave his view and I have no problem with that at all.As I have said if I'd been bladdered by a club then went and turned them over 3 times they'd know all about it believe me !

 

[Hair Flick]

Sorry to give you the impression I had read every one of the preceding pages, I hadn't. Just saw yet another Steve Bruce thread and jumped in at the end...

...You are asking me, a Hull City supporter, what are realistic ambitions/expectations for Sunderland? That is for you to state, not me. You are the club with the billionaire chairman, ours is a mere multi-millionaire. (bloody pauper!!

So basically you have absolutely no idea whether the preceding 17 pages contained vitriol or not, but you thought you'd just add it for dramatic effect to your post?

You then compound it by stating that we have unrealistic ambitions before admitting that you don't have a Scooby as to what are realistic ambitions for our club?

 

[zinedine]

Sorry to give you the impression I had read every one of the preceding pages, I hadn't. Just saw yet another Steve Bruce thread and jumped in at the end.




You are asking me, a Hull City supporter, what are realistic ambitions/expectations for Sunderland? That is for you to state, not me. You are the club with the billionaire chairman, ours is a mere multi-millionaire. (bloody pauper!!)

I don't think he is a billionaire he just manages a billion dollar equity fund. I read that on here so it might not be right.

 

[Maravilla]

17 pages that you have trawled through? Impressive, I get bored shitless after about 3 posts on a NUFC board once every couple of years or so.

What was unrealistic about our ambitions exactly? What were those ambitions specifically and what was it about them that were unrealistic? I'd say a majority of our fans would have taken Hull's season, for example, as a reasonable season, or indeed ours if you could conveniently ignore the perennial relegation struggles except for when Wor Steve took us to the heady heights of tenth place. Tenth place yer knaa.

Even with that 10th placed finish, only Blackpool were in worse form than us for the rest of the season once we sold Bent. That and the poor start to the 2011/12 season was why people wanted him gone, that combined with the performances on the pitch, the transfer-window fuck up and his pathetic excuses, not because of his roots.

Bruce and Keane were extremely well-backed financially in the transfer market, probably more than any Sunderland manager will for the next generation. 15th, 16th, 13th and 10th in those 4 seasons aren't good enough considering that we spent around £120 million in the transfer market in that time.

 

[Cabeza de Vaca]

Steve fuckin Bruce. What a ****.

What's with those 4 stars? I wrote kkkunt, dammit

Ha! Got ya that time

 

[Chewit]

There has been many a post on here stating that Steve Bruce claims to have been sacked for being a Geordie .I really don't need to trawl through posts to find that as we all know it's been incorrectly attributed to him.
When I say he's known nothing other than sweetness and light I meant from a professional standpoint.Great success as player and captain of Man Utd and he has never been hounded by a current employers fans like he was here.Hes naturally going to cop a fair bit from likes of Man City and Liverpool due to his United links and imagine clubs he has left as a manager in an attempt to better himself are a little bitter towards him now as well but never while he was in charge and certainly not to extent he got here.
Tim Sherwood got booed.Huge difference between that and personal chants aimed at him mind.
As for this Ha ha thing how can you actually be quoted on that and even if he did have a wry smile so fuck.He got sacked in his opinion wrongfully and endured a load of abuse into the bargain. Trust me if that happened to me and I then went on to beat my ex employers 3 times they'd be getting a lot more than a chuckle aimed there way!
Fans only ever see it from there own blinkered point of view anybody who sways from that gets dogs abuse . Every pundit who predicts a sunderland defeat gets it on here,every media outlet that doesn't quite give us what the fans perceive to be adequate coverage in comparison to the big boys gets it for being biased,every referee who gives a dodgy call hates us and so on and so forth.This goes for every set of fans not just us by the way.
My point is that that Bruce has vented his spleen a little (not to the extent you'd think given comments on here) but so what? Given the chants and the numerous comments on here it only adds fuel to his argument that his roots became an issue.Ive said before if fans choose to dislike him because of his heritage that's fair enough just stop hiding behind this we aren't bothered about them they are obsessed with us persona because it's basically bollocks. We are equally as bad although not quite as delusional regarding expectation.

You don't give in do you.

Many many people get sacked in the real world and they don't always deserve it...they may well feel they were treated unjustly whilst employed ...but the best advise is to move on as quickly as possible as people get tired of hearing it and it makes you appear sad and weak.

Bruce was quick enough on several occasions to jump ship and show no loyalty giving the metaphorical two fingers to his board and fans.

What goes round comes round - get over it.

Spot on - we had a poor record under him towards the end; but if he had not been a Geordie then the fans would not have turned as quickly or viciously as they did and the club would have had more time to consider it's options.

Some safc fans don't want to accept that, but it's the way it is. His roots may not have been the reason he was sacked but they did count against him and did speed up the "sacking process".

Club had more than enough time to weigh up options. We had been a relegation team for 38 games.

 

[Mrjardine]

You don't give in do you.

Many many people get sacked in the real world and they don't always deserve it...they may well feel they were treated unjustly whilst employed ...but the best advise is to move on as quickly as possible as people get tired of hearing it and it makes you appear sad and weak.

Bruce was quick enough on several occasions to jump ship and show no loyalty giving the metaphorical two fingers to his board and fans.

What goes round comes round - get over it.

He did move on and has given Hull the best season in there history. Not as if he's become a down and out feeling sorry for himself only to raise his head when an opportunity to slag sunderland off arises which given some posts you'd be forgiven for thinking that's the case .
I'd hazard a guess at about 5 or 6 instances he's discussed us in the media and I'd also say that on just about every one of them occasions there's been a link as in just after got sacked or playing against us.

 

[deleted user 785]

The fat bastard is a disgrace.

 

[toosb]

Northern team from an economically struggling area, with two ex SAFC players who were good lads and good servants of the club are beating a southern team with some of the best and highest players in the world, and yet some Sunderland fans wish they wernt because of a few sideways comments made by someone who managed us three years ago.

Bruce is obviously the bitter one.

Meyler is a prick who seems to think he's Gerrard.

 

[potential]

So basically you have absolutely no idea whether the preceding 17 pages contained vitriol or not, but you thought you'd just add it for dramatic effect to your post?

You then compound it by stating that we have unrealistic ambitions before admitting that you don't have a Scooby as to what are realistic ambitions for our club?

Ok you are here for a row, I ain't.

Let us play a simple yes/no game and check off a few points.

Is this the first Steve Bruce thread - No
After how many replies on any thread can I tick off the following :-

Fat Geordie Kernt - check
Greggs Pasties - check
Potato Head - check
Got us to tenth etc etc - check
Run of defeats - check

and on and on and on in a similar vein. Why do I have to read all that (to me) crap to hope to chance upon a little glimmer that at long last it is time to move on. Mr jardine on here sounds a very lone voice.

It might have helped you if I had put quote marks around ambitions/expectations, I thought that was something else SB had said that was used to fuel the hatred. Something I read on another thread. On here.

So, to answer your question what does a Hull City supporter see as reasonable expectations for Sunderland? My truthful honest opinion of what the future holds for you?

First off the prem. 46 different clubs have played in this league from 1992 to the end of this season. Only 7 have been ever present. That is not good odds for staving off relegation at some time in the future.

Qualifying for Europe through league placing, the ever present seven have those to share between themselves. Nah, call it 6, Villa is the seventh.

Qualifying for the Champions League - NURSE!!!!!!!!

Which leaves the cups. The only chance us fans have left, for us to have our day in the sun, some glory, but the fookin bean counters aren't interested.
Staving off the possibility of relegation is all that counts.

Managerial stability??? - NURSE more medication!!!! One sniff of 17th and the manager is out the door.

Bring through the young 'uns from the academy. What fookin academy. We spent the money on an 8 million pound player to stave off etc etc etc.


I could go on and on but I am probably boring you shitless. I will leave you with this very very painful observation. As great a history your club has, Cup Wins, League Titles, unbelievable support through it all, if you are letting the manager of Hull City get under your skin, then the game is really up, isn't it?

 

[DufraisFTM]

Ok you are here for a row, I ain't.
I could go on and on but I am probably boring you shitless. I will leave you with this very very painful observation. As great a history your club has, Cup Wins, League Titles, unbelievable support through it all, if you are letting the manager of Hull City get under your skin, then the game is really up, isn't it?

He could just stop talking about us. He was at it again this weekend, when his current team, your team, were in an FA Cup final.

 

[genericus]

This jardine is either a mag or a relative of bruce.

i was going to say something but it would likely get me banned so fuck it

 

[potential]

He could just stop talking about us. He was at it again this weekend, when his current team, your team, were in an FA Cup final.

He answered a journalist's question? Deep down we are all singing from the same hymn sheet. It has to end, it serves no purpose whatsoever. As much as you dislike reading or hearing about his time there, he is as probably pig sick of being asked about it.

 

[daveydavey]

Firmly on the side of potential & mrjardine - has been decent reading apart from the personal insults