Wise Man Says
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Kapil Dev above Flintoff too.I only included those mentioned in this thread.Flintoff about 7/8th in my opinion.
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Kapil Dev above Flintoff too.I only included those mentioned in this thread.Flintoff about 7/8th in my opinion.
I think even Flintoff would vote for Kallis.
Kallis was the 2nd best all rounder ever. Flintoff wasn't the best.
1) Sobers
2) Kallis
3) Botham
4) Flintoff
Imran Khan, Kapil Dev, Richard Hadlee and Sean Pollock would all come ahead of Flintoff. Top of the list would be Keith Miller, not just a great batsman and fast bowler but flew fighter bombers in ww2.
Great shout, didn't honestly realise how good his stats were. Notably his batting. Always knew his bowling was class but think he had summit like a 33 batting average in Tests. Very handy that.
Could be a case for Tony Greig being above Flintoff. His batting and bowling averages were superior, albeit not a strike bowler.[DOUBLEPOST=1388604871][/DOUBLEPOST]Great shout, didn't honestly realise how good his stats were. Notably his batting. Always knew his bowling was class but think he had summit like a 33 batting average in Tests. Very handy that.
If not for food and drink he could well have been!!!Flintoff one of the greatest all rounders ? News to me
And injuryCould be a case for Tony Greig being above Flintoff. His batting and bowling averages were superior, albeit not a strike bowler.[DOUBLEPOST=1388604871][/DOUBLEPOST]
If not for food and drink he could well have been!!!
Flintoff's batting average is lower than his bowling. By old school definitions, he isn't even a proper all-rounder.
Flintoff's batting average is lower than his bowling. By old school definitions, he isn't even a proper all-rounder.
Using that rule of thumb, Ben Stokes isn't an international all-rounder either![DOUBLEPOST=1388660503][/DOUBLEPOST]Some interesting FACTs from Howstat:You must be logged on to see external links
There are a lot of South Africans in the North East ya know.
Using that rule of thumb, Ben Stokes isn't an international all-rounder either![DOUBLEPOST=1388660503][/DOUBLEPOST]Some interesting FACTs from Howstat:You must be logged on to see external links
Alright then, using that definition Wasim or Richie Benaud = not all-rounders, Mark Waugh (bowling average 41) = all-rounder.Let's see after 79 Tests, instead of 3.
Alright then, using that definition Wasim or Richie Benaud = not all-rounders, Mark Waugh (bowling average 41) = all-rounder.![]()