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West Ryder said:
You have to take the shot for it to deflect.

It's being prepared to do it when you have the opportunity.

That's like saying Frank Lampard is a lucky player because he has scored so many deflected goals. That's rubbish. In your words, he's made his own luck.
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We took plenty of shots, so that's why I feel your argument that you have to make your own luck doesn't stand up. It's the kind of phrase that parents drum into their kids to make them work harder. When a disaster, like a plane crashing on a village happens, is that because those hapless victims in that village didn't make their own luck? If your theory is correct, then it's all of their own making.
 

gipetto said:
Whent time we got a penalty?

We should have had a fair few therefore he's right in that it's down to luck. It's based on the ref and what 's going on in their biased mind at the time.
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We should have had a couple but I don't buy the penalty luck argument. The teams who attack more will always get more.

We hardly even get in the box ffs
 
In the last minute of the game....Bardsley was clear through with a scoring opportunity ....it was unlucky that Poyet hadn't subbed him off and replaced him with an attacker or a more gifted player.
 
gipetto said:
When was the last time we got a penalty?

We should have had a fair few therefore he's right in that it's down to luck. It's based on the ref and what 's going on in their biased mind at the time.
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We had about 8 last season, and played against ten men the same no of times. So if you really believe in luck it's fair to say that we've run the well dry for a bit
 
Purrfect South said:
To use that phrase as if it is the truth, is what's rubbish. I'm not disputing that our most of our efforts on goal were poor, but you can't dismiss the element of luck, as if it never exists in life. For instance a deflection from a poor shot, is not of your making, but luck. We did have plenty of shots on target yesterday, and if one of those had gone in we would not be debating this.
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We had five shots on target, which isn't that many at all. And the keeper comfortably had them all covered.

Just to prove the point that its not luck-the one time the keeper didn't have it covered, and left the goal open, the shot wasn't on target. It was a tough chance but better skill was what was needed to find the net, not luck.[DOUBLEPOST=1387706012][/DOUBLEPOST]
gipetto said:
I'm talking about this season.
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I don't think you can talk about luck as though it clocks in 9-5 during the season then takes a holiday when the players are off.

The point is we were incredibly fortunate to experience all of that stuff last season, yet we still couldn't win most of the games they occurred in. Because we are rubbish. Last season proves that even a real string if outrageous luck doesn't make a difference if you're not good enough to capitalise in it in the first place.
 
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sonson said:
We had five shots on target, which isn't that many at all. And the keeper comfortably had them all covered.

Just to prove the point that its not luck-the one time the keeper didn't have it covered, and left the goal open, the shot wasn't on target. It was a tough chance but better skill was what was needed to find the net, not luck.
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I'm not arguing that better skill wouldn't have helped, but just having a go at the blanket phrase "You make your own luck", as there are many occasions in life when that is simply not true.
 
Purrfect South said:
I'm not arguing that better skill wouldn't have helped, but just having a go at the blanket phrase "You make your own luck", as there are many occasions in life when that is simply not true.
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It's fair to assume the more time you spend in the penalty area the more likely you are to get a deflection or pen. That alone should tell you where we're going wrong.
 
sonson said:
It's fair to assume the more time you spend in the penalty area the more likely you are to get a deflection or pen. That alone should tell you where we're going wrong.
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We could also have had a freak gust of wind blow a nearby roof into the Stadium, and crash down on the players. That would be bad luck. You see, it can, and does happen.
 
Purrfect South said:
We could also have had a freak gust of wind blow a nearby roof into the Stadium, and crash down on the players. That would be bad luck. You see, it can, and does happen.
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Yeah but it wouldn't save our season.

I don't think anyone is suggesting the concept of being unlucky in life is wrong or owt. But in a long form game where the rules are designed to favour long term performance and ability the idea that luck can have a discernible impact is just another excuse for not being good at said game.
 
Can anyone remember a time, when both Newcastle and Sunderland were relatively successful at the same time?
 
lazarus said:
Yesterday Mags a deflection an og and a penalty,all our luck is bad luck.
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Threads like this just make us look bitter. They're up there because they're playing some good football and have match winners in their team. You don't win 3-0 in the Premier League, away from home simply by luck.
 
Colocini going over the top of the ball at waist height and getting away with a yellow is more than luck. Every bit as dangerous as what Brown did (which was also a red).
 
More luck for the jammy sods. It's amazing the number of times they play teams woefully out of form or who self destruct against them.

Throw in 2 red cards, 2 penalties (both correct mind), a deflected goal, a handball not given and a cross that went out of play and there's quite a luck-making factory somewhere on tyneside.
 
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