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Ashes whitewash

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embarrassing so far. not even a contest. we are by far the better side on paper but have literally shat it. fully expect a whitewash now.
 

The first wrong thing we did, although neither player has been terrible, was bringing in Carberry at the top and moving Root down the order.

Disruption like that can upset the whole balance of the side.

Also think Bresnan, although not the best in the world being out and not being at 8 has really upset us too.
 
The 3-0 papered over some serious cracks in the summer where the strength of the bowling attack dug the batting line up out of quite a few sticky situations. By the look of it we've not worked a quarter as hard as the Aussies have on improving their game over the past 4 months and its showing massively. Over-confidence, thinking we just had to turn up, naivety?

We'd have a much better chance if the batsmen stopped fishing at balls that do not need to be played at. Lost count of how many wickets we've lost from our batsmen trying to hook the ball away. Got to stop being shit scared of their attack too, Johnson is in good form but hes shown many times before how he cracks when the tables are turned.
 
Steesafc said:
The 3-0 papered over some serious cracks in the summer where the strength of the bowling attack dug the batting line up out of quite a few sticky situations. By the look of it we've not worked a quarter as hard as the Aussies have on improving their game over the past 4 months and its showing massively. Over-confidence, thinking we just had to turn up, naivety?

We'd have a much better chance if the batsmen stopped fishing at balls that do not need to be played at. Lost count of how many wickets we've lost from our batsmen trying to hook the ball away. Got to stop being shit scared of their attack too, Johnson is in good form but hes shown many times before how he cracks when the tables are turned.
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We're making Johnson look twice the player he is. Fair enough, he's running in at 90mph but other than sheer pace and bounce, he's an average bowler. He's no Brett Lee (pre-2005), Jeff Thompson (WIndies touring Australia '75), Malcolm Marshall or Curtly Ambrose (in Australia in '93).
 
Andy Reids Love Chil said:
We're making Johnson look twice the player he is. Fair enough, he's running in at 90mph but other than sheer pace and bounce, he's an average bowler. He's no Brett Lee (pre-2005), Jeff Thompson (WIndies touring Australia '75), Malcolm Marshall or Curtly Ambrose (in Australia in '93).
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Agree 100%. Hes not exactly what you'd call a good line and length bowler. Hes never going to bowl an over and put the ball in the same spot 6 times out of 6. We did play him a lot better in the second innings at Adelaide but I have a feeling we'll revert back to type on a pitch that is going to suit Johnson in Perth.
 
Unless we improve drastically it WILL be 5-0...Fully expect to go to Melbourne 3 down regardless of an upturn in form...Perth has been a graveyard for England in recent years and even when Johnson has been shite he's still played well on his home ground...It could get embarassing this weekend :cry:
 
Worse than 2006-7 so far. At least Colly had some good knocks in that series. Cook was similarly shite.
 
Andy Reids Love Chil said:
We're making Johnson look twice the player he is. Fair enough, he's running in at 90mph but other than sheer pace and bounce, he's an average bowler. He's no Brett Lee (pre-2005), Jeff Thompson (WIndies touring Australia '75), Malcolm Marshall or Curtly Ambrose (in Australia in '93).
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Johnson a average bowler I don't think so

He is in the top ten wicket takers of all time for Australia
 
smoker said:
200 out of 220 of his wickets on the WACA and Gabba I reckon
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He's only taken a paltry 154 scalps away from the WACA and GABA including 16 in 3 tests on South African soil in a 3 match series when they were number one in the rankings. ;-)
 
Andy Reids Love Chil said:
The first wrong thing we did, although neither player has been terrible, was bringing in Carberry at the top and moving Root down the order.

Disruption like that can upset the whole balance of the side.

Also think Bresnan, although not the best in the world being out and not being at 8 has really upset us too.
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The batsmen are there to score the runs and the bowlers are there to take 20 wickets. Only England pick a bowler like Bresnan because he can bat a (little) bit.
 
JonnyB said:
He's only taken a paltry 154 scalps away from the WACA and GABA including 16 in 3 tests on South African soil in a 3 match series when they were number one in the rankings. ;)
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Just being facetious. I still make that 30% of his wickets on grounds he has played <10% of his cricket on. Begs the question where is our Mitchell Johnson for these tracks?
 
smoker said:
Just being facetious. I still make that 30% of his wickets on grounds he has played <10% of his cricket on. Begs the question where is our Mitchell Johnson for these tracks?
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Agreed Mate.
 
I think the England team is now back to being a click. Bresnan straight back in.
The fact is this team was probably not as good as they or probably us thought they were.
South Africa wiped the floor with them,and the only difference between the sides in the summer was Ian Bell.
This was pretty predictable and has been on the cards.
 
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