Altidore/Borini

[Joey Joe Jo Shabadoo]

Jozy and Borini should start next match. Fletcher and Giaccherini should be dropped.

Fletcher still looks unfit or maybe he's still hurting...Bring him off the bench for the last 15-10 minutes.

Giaccherini is just too weak for this league...maybe he would be better off as a sub going against defenders who are too tired to muscle him off the ball....

Jozy and Borini as our 2 forwards from now on....Let's give the younger guys a chance to play.

We can't keep throwing the same team out there...give others a chance....I'd even replace Johnson for Mavrias and Colback with Cabral.

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[AmericanPride]

It's interesting how fans have changed from supporting their team and its members to now often competing fiercely with one another to criticise our players. Somehow criticism seems more important than support.

I think Fletcher has been slightly disappointing recently. I think Jozy has linked up and layed off the ball quite promisingly sometimes. Neither is Ronaldo, so why get so negative and critical? Let's just get behind our promising new manager, and be supporters?

I think it's mostly the jozy-haters who are making a big fuss about things.
Jozy only played about 8 minute today and some of these haters would find a way to criticize him and blame him for the loss..
When Jozy stepped onto the field, it was already 2-0...Maybe he should had find a way to score 2 goals with 10 men..If he can't do that then he must be shit according to them.

 

[cesirwin]

It's interesting how fans have changed from supporting their team and its members to now often competing fiercely with one another to criticise our players. Somehow criticism seems more important than support.

I think Fletcher has been slightly disappointing recently. I think Jozy has linked up and layed off the ball quite promisingly sometimes. Neither is Ronaldo, so why get so negative and critical? Let's just get behind our promising new manager, and be supporters?

probably right but we are a bit more passionate about us whether playing passing footy or pressing its the final ball thats the problem not the supporters

 

[mbmueller831]

He gets the benefit of the doubt because he has proven his ability and earned it. When he gets service he scores goals.

You can argue all you like about Altidore not getting the service and you might have a point, but he has not put in one memorable performance in English football so far and until he does, there will rightly be question marks over him.

As for the comments spewed just to antagonise American fans, unfortunately that is the by product of the morons like the op and their very biased posting on these threads. At the end of the day, every Sunderland fan wants every Sunderland player to be a world beater. Most of the new American fans don't care as long as Altidore plays well.

Agreed. He should be first choice on this team until someone takes it away from him. Altidore hasn't been good enough so far, but some on here have a ridiculous double standard on how strikers should be judged.

Most Americans probably don't care about Sunderland. They care that Jozy plays well for the US at the World Cup. Most Americans don't have and might never have a vested interest in SAFC that the long time followers have, but some of us wake up every sat/sun at 4:30 or 7:00am to watch them every week and follow the news throughout the week. That takes a bit of commitment, and to hear people on here slag Americans just because they are Americans gets old, and American Pride doesn't help anything with his biased posts.

 

[Flash Gordon]

Agreed. He should be first choice on this team until someone takes it away from him. Altidore hasn't been good enough so far, but some on here have a ridiculous double standard on how strikers should be judged.

Most Americans probably don't care about Sunderland. They care that Jozy plays well for the US at the World Cup. Most Americans don't have and might never have a vested interest in SAFC that the long time followers have, but some of us wake up every sat/sun at 4:30 or 7:00am to watch them every week and follow the news throughout the week. That takes a bit of commitment, and to hear people on here slag Americans just because they are Americans gets old, and American Pride doesn't help anything with his biased posts.

There's the key mate, unfortunately it's the idiots that drown out the sensible posters on here most of the time. We've got several good American posters on here who contribute to the discussion and banter on here.

Altidore gets plenty of stick on here, but no more than Graham, Wickham, Ji, Larsson, Colback, Cuellar etc. I think you're possible being a bit more defensive of Altidore than you would be of others.

Fletcher gets the benefit of the doubt because he's earned it. Ask yourself this question, would you criticise Altidore for a bad game for USA as much as you'd criticise Terence Boyd? I'd guess that Altidore gets the benefit of the doubt because he's proved himself to you already.

 

[Salem Street South]

Fletcher is ridiculously overrated on here.

 

[BumbleBee]

Christ.

Did you see the game?

 

[mbmueller831]

There's the key mate, unfortunately it's the idiots that drown out the sensible posters on here most of the time. We've got several good American posters on here who contribute to the discussion and banter on here.

Altidore gets plenty of stick on here, but no more than Graham, Wickham, Ji, Larsson, Colback, Cuellar etc. I think you're possible being a bit more defensive of Altidore than you would be of others.

Fletcher gets the benefit of the doubt because he's earned it. Ask yourself this question, would you criticise Altidore for a bad game for USA as much as you'd criticise Terence Boyd? I'd guess that Altidore gets the benefit of the doubt because he's proved himself to you already.

Fair point. I think a lot of Americans tend to think the guy on the bench is better than the guy on the field. I think Boyd would get a lot of criticism if he had a bad game, but typically most Americans like to criticize our more established stars like Jermaine Jones, Dempsey, or Donovan and give the younger players more time.

As for the US striker situation, Altidore goes 90 every game. A lot of the US attack is predicated on Jozy sealing the centerback off with his body and playing one twos with the wide midfielders and fullbacks to release them into space. Then he gets onto a cross at the back post. 90% of his goals are inside the six. He is pretty vital to the flow of our attack, and because of that he will always get the benefit of the doubt, regardless of how he is playing.

 

[burchmackem]

i actually rate altidore and its canny annoying that you are shitting all over his case by being such an idiot on here

I like Altidore too, and actually think he and Borini might be all right as a pairing, but the OP needs to cool it on pimping Jozy.[DOUBLEPOST=1385250369][/DOUBLEPOST]

He was poor today, period...People who think he was good weren't watching the same match.

I understand people like him because he got goals last year and I'm not saying he's a poor player overall...Im saying he was poor today.
He had a clear cut opportunity to score and missed....Had anyone other then fletcher missed that, everyone on here would be calling for his head.

Fletcher is a f***ing class striker, man. He didn't have much in the way of service today, so was not poor, and his 'sitter' was anything but.

 

[AmericanPride]

I like Altidore too, and actually think he and Borini might be all right as a pairing, but the OP needs to cool it on pimping Jozy.[DOUBLEPOST=1385250369][/DOUBLEPOST]

Fletcher is a f***ing class striker, man. He didn't have much in the way of service today, so was not poor, and his 'sitter' was anything but.

Fletcher is a decent striker...I don't think he's class, unless your definition of class is average in compare to guys like Sturridge, Lukaku and others...We all agree that Fletcher is not on that level, at least not yet.

Fletcher did missed a clear cut chance...This chance is slated as a 'clear cut" chance. If Jozy had missed that, everyone would be screaming...

I don't blame Fletcher for his poor match...I blame Poyet for playing 1 striker against a team that is not much better then you as far as players.

Fletcher is not a 4-5-1 striker in my opinion..He can easily be marked out of a match if there's no one beside him to attract the attention away from him...He needs that to create confusion which help him poach goals...If defenders keeps in eye on him at all time, they will easily handcuff him since he won't beat anyone off the dribble nor will he bust past his marker with pace.

Fletch is a decent mid level striker..if he has decent support, he'll score 10-13 goals...If he's alone with opposition team focus on stopping him, he won't score much and will be anonymous in most match.

 

[Twisted]

Fletcher is not a 4-5-1 striker in my opinion..He can easily be marked out of a match if there's no one beside him to attract the attention away from him...He needs that to create confusion which help him poach goals...If defenders keeps in eye on him at all time, they will easily handcuff him since he won't beat anyone off the dribble nor will he bust past his marker with pace.

see this is a decent point, one i agree with and well made.

the rest is fluff really. he is far from average compared to sturridge and lukaku, just different, if he had the pace of sturridge he would be a better player imo. haven't seen enough of lukaku to comment. fletcher seems to have lost alot of the physicality [he didnt have much to begin with but he didnt end up on the floor for a few minutes after every contact] since his injury problems started piling up.

the chance was far from clear cut, he didnt miss it was a decent save, and nobody would have screamed if altidore had missed it. although i think more people would have mentioned it was a clear handball in the build up anyway

and he's scored 10-13 goals in shite sides like us, wolves, burnley - all involved in relegation and hardly chance laden...

 

[Mainze]

Altidore should be the first name on the team sheet every week...in goal. He's prolific at keeping the ball out of the net.

 

[peachy]

Jozy and Borini should start next match. Fletcher and Giaccherini should be dropped.

Fletcher still looks unfit or maybe he's still hurting...Bring him off the bench for the last 15-10 minutes.

Giaccherini is just too weak for this league...maybe he would be better off as a sub going against defenders who are too tired to muscle him off the ball....

Jozy and Borini as our 2 forwards from now on....Let's give the younger guys a chance to play.

We can't keep throwing the same team out there...give others a chance....I'd even replace Johnson for Mavrias and Colback with Cabral.

What a load of rubbish.

 

[sonson]

see this is a decent point, one i agree with and well made.

the rest is fluff really. he is far from average compared to sturridge and lukaku, just different, if he had the pace of sturridge he would be a better player imo. haven't seen enough of lukaku to comment. fletcher seems to have lost alot of the physicality [he didnt have much to begin with but he didnt end up on the floor for a few minutes after every contact] since his injury problems started piling up.

the chance was far from clear cut, he didnt miss it was a decent save, and nobody would have screamed if altidore had missed it. although i think more people would have mentioned it was a clear handball in the build up anyway

and he's scored 10-13 goals in shite sides like us, wolves, burnley - all involved in relegation and hardly chance laden...

But he dosent have that turn of pace, so he's average. Lukaku has everything, and is comfortably better.

Fletcher is a good player but if he was anywhere near as good as made out to be on here he'd lift us up from where we've been. Good strikers can do that-look at Bent when he was here. He scores in poor teams, and that's great, but he dosent score enough to justify the hype in my opinion. Im glad we have him, he does a job, but the idea that he could be on a par with the likes of Lukaku is ludicrous.

 

[peachy]

It's interesting how fans have changed from supporting their team and its members to now often competing fiercely with one another to criticise our players. Somehow criticism seems more important than support.

I think there are always two sides to every argument here. Some like Jo Altidore some don't. Most seem to support Fletcher with a few not being so strong in their support.

I don't see how you can compete to criticize anyway?? "He's bad, no he's worse than bad, no he's the worst bad player ever"?

 

[AmericanPride]

But he dosent have that turn of pace, so he's average. Lukaku has everything, and is comfortably better.

Fletcher is a good player but if he was anywhere near as good as made out to be on here he'd lift us up from where we've been. Good strikers can do that-look at Bent when he was here. He scores in poor teams, and that's great, but he dosent score enough to justify the hype in my opinion. Im glad we have him, he does a job, but the idea that he could be on a par with the likes of Lukaku is ludicrous.

Yeah...Fletcher is not on level with Lukaku...Lukaku is faster, stronger, bigger, quicker and is better then Fletcher in the air......Lukaku can also play as a lone striker and still be very dangerous and more consistent in bringing others into play.

In other word, Lukaku brings much more to the table then Fletch...Fletch is still a nice striker to have if u can't get yourself a Sturridge, Lukaku, Benteke...

 

[johnny6]

I don't even know what this thread was originally about, but Fletcher isn't in good form at the moment, that's pretty clear. Watched him over the last 3-4 seasons and he's an excellent player... maybe he's just slow recovering from his injury. Or maybe it's the utter lack of f***ing service or support...Of course it f***ing is. I don't know how Fletcher hasn't completely flipped his lid with frustration.

I'd argue that it's all the fault of the f***ing pathetic midfield, no matter who is up front. Those assclowns are making my beer and bacon Saturday morning breakfasts watching soccer, what should be a heavenly experience, incredibly frustrating. That is where the problem lies. That's so f***ing obvious, I can't believe it doesn't get discussed enough. All these threads about Fletcher/Jozy/Giaccherini, while it's Ki, Johnson, Larrson, Gardner, etc who bring the team down. There's nothing wrong with the back four (O'Shea and Brown are actually a legitimately solid center pairing), nothing wrong with the goalkeeper (whomever you choose), and nothing wrong with the strikers (outside of some temporary poor goalscoring form... which would be easily remedied with some decent midfielders).

Wish Sunderland had a right back who could play like Cameron... to me he was excellent for Stoke today - whipping crosses in brilliantly. Know who else would love a right back like that? Fletcher....

 

[Lord Alfred]

of course he can you moron, service to feet or to run onto

He can score at a lower level than the Premier league........he's already proved that... and much like David Healy and (imo a very valid comparison) Stern John he can score for his country. I've seen enough of him however to state confidently that a) he won't make it at this level and b) he'll be put out of his misery in a few weeks time.[DOUBLEPOST=1385277362][/DOUBLEPOST]

I don't even know what this thread was originally about, but Fletcher isn't in good form at the moment, that's pretty clear. Watched him over the last 3-4 seasons and he's an excellent player... maybe he's just slow recovering from his injury. Or maybe it's the utter lack of f***ing service or support...Of course it f***ing is. I don't know how Fletcher hasn't completely flipped his lid with frustration.

I'd argue that it's all the fault of the f***ing pathetic midfield, no matter who is up front. Those assclowns are making my beer and bacon Saturday morning breakfasts WATCHING SOCCER, what should be a heavenly experience, incredibly frustrating. That is where the problem lies. That's so f***ing obvious, I can't believe it doesn't get discussed enough. All these threads about Fletcher/Jozy/Giaccherini, while it's Ki, Johnson, Larrson, Gardner, etc who bring the team down. There's nothing wrong with the back four (O'Shea and Brown are actually a legitimately solid center pairing), nothing wrong with the goalkeeper (whomever you choose), and nothing wrong with the strikers (outside of some temporary poor goalscoring form... which would be easily remedied with some decent midfielders).

Wish Sunderland had a right back who could play like Cameron... to me he was excellent for Stoke today - whipping crosses in brilliantly. Know who else would love a right back like that? Fletcher....

Fail.

 

[Pusa]

Jozy is shit end of story, if he played for the mags he would get ripped to bits weekly on here & would be a laughing stock ( rightly so)

If he was playing for the Mags he'd have scored five goals by now. They are definitely in pact with the devil.

 

[GiantHogweed]

Yeah...Fletcher is not on level with Lukaku...Lukaku is faster, stronger, bigger, quicker and is better then Fletcher in the air......Lukaku can also play as a lone striker and still be very dangerous and more consistent in bringing others into play.

In other word, Lukaku brings much more to the table then Fletch...Fletch is still a nice striker to have if u can't get yourself a Sturridge, Lukaku, Benteke...

Very insightful stuff. I need to read your jozy threads more often.