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Hugh Gains said:
I remember Tony Cascarino taking a similar approach, stating that contentious decisions are needed for talking points throughout the week. I personally dont think thats good enough, teams are there to compete, not be robbed via an injustice.
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i don't think that teams should be robbed for "talking points" either, it's infuriating for the fans that have spent so much of their time and money to be there to watch their team be robbed because of one man's incompetence but at the end of the day, it shouldn't have to be like that. there is the technology now to make sure that these things shouldn't be a common occurrence.

i think i'm seeking validation from my mates for my anger! ha! takes me back to the altidore incident all over again.
 

midds said:
Aye but what happens if a red card offence has taken place but not given? Larrsson against City for example. Could Pellegrini's have thrown a flag or whatever and got him sent off n appeal? Imagine the reaction? Imagine the impact on the game?
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larsson deserved a red card and had he correctly been given one on review then so fuck?

the right decision being made should surely be the driving force behind any changes.

it is only when the wrong decision is made we get fucked off. note the difference in reaction between this game and hull, we are rightly fuming here about the red cards, against hull it was our own incompetence that caused it and hence got the grief.
 
Nelson! said:
Any more than the chaos of both teams surrounding the ref arguing about a decision? I think today's incident, as an example, would have been sorted out quicker with a definitive answer based on a replay.

How about a rule where you can challenge the decision of a ref three times per game? So as to stop it becoming an issue for every throw in.
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It may have been sorted more quickly, but what about all the other incidents that would then need looking at?
 
AC Mack said:
It'd be a disaster. Where do you draw the line exactly?
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I draw the line at refs being utter fuckwits, which seems to always go against us! Can't remember the last time a match changing decision went for us
Woe is me, etc...
 
AC Mack said:
It may have been sorted more quickly, but what about all the other incidents that would then need looking at?
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why would every decision have to be reviewed? any system that introduced more correct decisions would be a good thing.

people don't want to bring in ideas that would improve some areas of the game because it wouldnt fix everything.

its like saying we've invented a cure for cancer but since it doesnt cure aids we wont bother using it ffs
 
Can't see refs wanting to give up the control element. Friend is a power hungry officious know it all and will never concede that he totally fucked it up.
I said during the match that Hughes would come and be all hypocritically smug about the decision and the ref will never get sanctioned. I'm half right so far!
 
Twisted said:
larsson in the last game?
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Made a thread on this but seems relevant here too:

Altidore disallowed goal vs Arsenal.
Sagna not being sent off in the same incident.
Sturridge handling the ball into the net vs Liverpool
Cattermole sending off vs Hull.
Brady not being sent off for same/worse challenge.
Brown sent off today.
Begivic not being sent off for a definite red challenge.

vs.

Seb getting away with one vs City.

It all "evens out" apparently. I can't wait for the rest of the season when we get all of our pens and opposition players sent off for nowt.
 
midds said:
Aye but what happens if a red card offence has taken place but not given? Larrsson against City for example. Could Pellegrini's have thrown a flag or whatever and got him sent off n appeal? Imagine the reaction? Imagine the impact on the game?
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Most who attended the game didn't think that was a red until they saw it later. In those instances people are generally happy to say "didn't look like a red in real time, fair enough he got it wrong".....and in a system where you can only appeal three times it's unlikely you'd waste one if it didn't "look" like a red. Even if he did, once it's proven he caught him how can anyone be upset?

It would mean, however, when there are joke decisions like today where everyone can see it clearly except the ref he can be called up on it and correct it.
 
Nelson! said:
Edited my post to cover that, three appeals per game.
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Aye, that would be a possibility. I still think it would be chaos though, and take a lot of passion away from the game.[DOUBLEPOST=1385238718][/DOUBLEPOST]
Twisted said:
why would every decision have to be reviewed? any system that introduced more correct decisions would be a good thing.

people don't want to bring in ideas that would improve some areas of the game because it wouldnt fix everything.

its like saying we've invented a cure for cancer but since it doesnt cure aids we wont bother using it ffs
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So you'd review some wrong decisions but leave others? And you don't see why that might be a problem?

As for your analogy :lol:
 
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AC Mack said:
Aye, that would be a possibility. I still think it would be chaos though, and take a lot of passion away from the game.[DOUBLEPOST=1385238718][/DOUBLEPOST]

So you'd review some wrong decisions but leave others? And you don't see why that might be a problem?
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There'd be less wrong decisions which stand, that's the point. It wouldn't be perfect (which i can see the argument for, keeping human error etc) but definitely an improvement when so much is at stake.
 
Nelson! said:
There'd be less wrong decisions which stand, that's the point. It wouldn't be perfect (which i can see the argument for, keeping human error etc) but definitely an improvement when so much is at stake.
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To the detriment of the excitement.

Anyway, aren't people always crying about consistency? Looking at some decisions but not others doesn't sound very consistent to me.
 
Hugh Gains said:
Is it time for a man in the stands who can look at decisions and within 20 seconds see a contentious incident from numerous angles and make an informed decision, communicating the ref.

Its blatantly obvious the referee cant catch everything and on that basis every effort should be made to aid him. For instance, Browns red today could have been retracted by the time Brown left the pitch and Adam returned.

Its 2013, not 1950, human error should not be the ruling basis, technology is there, if Cricket can use it, then the billion pound business that is football, should too.
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And it would remove the dark arts of the game ..of players acting as if they were shot or managers over reacting on the sidelines. To make football a respectable sport again bring in technology I say.
 
AC Mack said:
So you'd review some wrong decisions but leave others? And you don't see why that might be a problem?

As for your analogy :lol:
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you clearly can't review every single incident. give the manager one referral per game to use at their discretion.

f***ing obvious like
 
AC Mack said:
To the detriment of the excitement.

Anyway, aren't people always crying about consistency? Looking at some decisions but not others doesn't sound very consistent to me.
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Yeah, I was really excited today when we lost a man for the best part of 90 minutes for making a totally fair challenge.

It would be consistent in that everyone would get the same amount/right to appeal an definitely better than now. You seem not to like the idea of fairness though as you've defended divers in the past too.
 
It's the 21 century is it not? the Ref should have a screen in his back pocket and just get it out when he wants a replay simple as that. He only has to hold his f***ing head up and look at the big screen if that's not big enough for him god help us.
 
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