4th Ashes Test - Durham

[Connolly_31]

Its always the same man. A player has a bad spell after years of brilliance and you get shit like that of uneducated cricket followers. Prior has developed into a fine gloveman who has had a poor series for the first time in yonks. Interestingly as a batsman he was by far our best performer against SA last year, our top runscorer and their attack of Steyn, Morker, Philander and kallis is top drawer in any era.

Talking sense on here will get you in bother

 

[mickey]

Nas got it spot on. Everyone in that XI makes a contribution and that's why it's been a superb team effort.

 

[Mr Redknapp]

Talking sense on here will get you in bother

Prior will bounce back.

 

[mackembhoy]

Its always the same man. A player has a bad spell after years of brilliance and you get shit like that off uneducated cricket followers usually the post 2005 variety. Prior has developed into a fine gloveman who has had a poor series for the first time in yonks. Interestingly as a batsman he was by far our best performer against SA last year, our top runscorer and their attack of Steyn, Morker, Philander and kallis is top drawer in any era.

Albeit im 20 but i've been watching cricket for 10 years. My dads been watching cricket for 40 years he hates prior, he's very much in the view your keeper is in there for his glovework, priors is marginally better than ambrose and jones. It's improved massivley since he came into the side to his credit but still makes big blunders that many other keepers in the the best sides would not make.

 

[rentaghost]

england had a piss poor bowling attack when stewart was keeper bowling at far far far better batsmen so the amount of catches is irrelvant. And then prior has batted against far far far worse bowling attacks than stewart[DOUBLEPOST=1376334588][/DOUBLEPOST]
easily foster can stand up at the stumps to 80+ mile an hour bowling take a catch and then stump the fuckers for good measure.

and nobody doubts read's class with gloves either. If you honestly think prior is anywhere near the keeper than these two give up watching the sport mate.

Interestingly Duncan Fletcher thinks Read is one of the most overrated keepers around. according to Fletcher he doesn't drop much because he doesn't go for enough to his right

Prior is in for his batting his glovework is still not good. His batting has failed. 1 century in 2 years.

Our top run scorer last year against the best bowling attack in world cricket.

 

[chelt_mackem]

Wouldn't mind seeing Compton brought back for the final test, with Root dropping back down the order. Bairstow can do one. Maybe rest Anderson for Tremlett too (or Onions if he's fit).

Not this again. Root is an opener, vastly superior to Compton and has done nothing to warrant being shoved down the order. Bairstow needs runs, but he's the best option for batting at 6 at the moment.

I'd keep Anderson in, give him a chance to play himself into some form ahead of the tour down there, and help us secure 4-0. We can rest him for the limited overs shite when the results don't matter.

 

[Mackem DJ]

I appreciate Prior can only face whats bowled at him but the time might be right to look elsewhere. Where is a tough one because SO many keepers have been tried since Stewie retired & its fair to say other than Read & Foster, they are all primarily batsmen who can keep.

I thought Bairstow had a chance but his technique has been found wanting (still scored way more than Prior this series mind).

 

[Connolly_31]

Prior is in for his batting his glovework is still not good. His batting has failed. 1 century in 2 years.

What is Foster's average this season against nobodies?

 

[mackembhoy]

Interestingly Duncan Fletcher thinks Read is one of the most overrated keepers around. according to Fletcher he doesn't drop much because he doesn't go for enough to his right


Our top run scorer last year against the best bowling attack in world cricket. In terms of cricket you come across as an uneducated knee jerking idiot to be honest.

The man who gave geraint fecking jones 34 tests talking about wicket keepers is a bit rich.

 

[rentaghost]

Albeit im 20 but i've been watching cricket for 10 years. My dads been watching cricket for 40 years he hates prior, he's very much in the view your keeper is in there for his glovework, priors is marginally better than ambrose and jones. It's improved massivley since he came into the side to his credit but still makes big blunders that many other keepers in the the best sides would not make.

The man who gave geraint fecking jones 34 tests talking about wicket keepers is a bit rich.

The man who gave geraint fecking jones 34 tests talking about wicket keepers is a bit rich.

Aye sorry mate its clear that your dad with his 40 years of watching cricket is the person we should all be listening to

 

[Mackem DJ]

What is Foster's average this season against nobodies?

I think there has to be a balance. Read & Foster were never good enough with the bat.

Alec Stewart eventually grew into a world class gloveman (Bob Willis rates him as the best English keeper ever iirc) & averaged 38 despite opening or batting 3/4/5 most of his career against the likes of Wasim, Shoaib, Waqar, Mushy, Kumble, Vaas, Pollock, Murali, Srinath, Streak, Donald, McDermott, McGrath, Walsh, Bishop, Ambrose & Warne.

Who has Matt Prior faced? The overall standard of test match bowling these days is hideous such is the influence of all this T20 crap.

IMHO

 

[mackembhoy]

What is Foster's average this season against nobodies?

I must have missed the bit where I praise fosters batting. Prior is our keeper on his batting alone yet he's scored less than swann and broad in this series.

 

[sonson]

Could have been there today with Mam and Dad but had to prep for a big promotion interview tomorrow

Superb from Broad that last hour or so. Won a session like that more than a few times

 

[Connolly_31]

I must have missed the bit where I praise fosters batting. Prior is our keeper on his batting alone yet he's scored less than swann and broad in this series.

Shying away from the question.

A WK must score runs these days. Prior has had one bad series. His average is still pretty decent and he's a far classy bat than Foster. Mackem DJ is right, you need to strike a balance. Can't have our WK coming in at 9 after Bresnan and Swann[DOUBLEPOST=1376336025][/DOUBLEPOST]

I think there has to be a balance. Read & Foster were never good enough with the bat.

Alec Stewart eventually grew into a world class gloveman (Bob Willis rates him as the best English keeper ever iirc) & averaged 38 despite opening or batting 3/4/5 most of his career against the likes of Wasim, Shoaib, Waqar, Mushy, Kumble, Vaas, Pollock, Murali, Srinath, Streak, Donald, McDermott, McGrath, Walsh, Bishop, Ambrose & Warne.

Who has Matt Prior faced? The overall standard of test match bowling these days is hideous such is the influence of all this T20 crap.

IMHO

Lovely post and as above, you're right there must be a balance. Prior bring a lovely balance to the XI that no other keeper would.

 

[rentaghost]

I think there has to be a balance. Read & Foster were never good enough with the bat.

Alec Stewart eventually grew into a world class gloveman (Bob Willis rates him as the best English keeper ever iirc) & averaged 38 despite opening or batting 3/4/5 most of his career against the likes of Wasim, Shoaib, Waqar, Mushy, Kumble, Vaas, Pollock, Murali, Srinath, Streak, Donald, McDermott, McGrath, Walsh, Bishop, Ambrose & Warne.

Who has Matt Prior faced? The overall standard of test match bowling these days is hideous such is the influence of all this T20 crap.

IMHO

That's not balance. Prior has faced the best he can face and was our best player against Steyn, Philander, Morkel and kallis who are top drawer. Its not about comparing him to Alec Stewart its about him being easily the best alternative now, he has a fine record in his own right. Out of all the experts on SKY, BBC including Boycott, Nasser, Atherton, Warne etc with 1000s of test caps between them you won't find one questioning Prior's place in the team. these guys know the game and they accept players have poor form - as Alec Stewart did in his England career.

 

[mackembhoy]

Shying away from the question.

A WK must score runs these days. Prior has had one bad series. His average is still pretty decent and he's a far classy bat than Foster. Mackem DJ is right, you need to strike a balance. Can't have our WK coming in at 9 after Bresnan and Swann[DOUBLEPOST=1376336025][/DOUBLEPOST]

Lovely post and as above, you're right there must be a balance. Prior bring a lovely balance to the XI that no other keeper would.

I know that and thats why i'm not going gung ho and saying drop prior. it's just annoying that priors makes some sloppy mistakes with the gloves and when his batting isn't up to the standard he can be questions have to be asked. Steven davies seems to be the back up for the test arena and he'll want to stake his case for the series in the winter. Or if they go with buttler as the back up then he'll want to do that.

 

[Randy Ostrich]

Not this again. Root is an opener, vastly superior to Compton and has done nothing to warrant being shoved down the order. Bairstow needs runs, but he's the best option for batting at 6 at the moment.

I'd keep Anderson in, give him a chance to play himself into some form ahead of the tour down there, and help us secure 4-0. We can rest him for the limited overs shite when the results don't matter.

Perhaps it's a touch early for Root. Let's not forget how long it took Anderson to get back in after being exposed too young. There is a problem at the top of our order and we need to look at it.

 

[rentaghost]

I know that and thats why i'm not going gung ho and saying drop prior. it's just annoying that priors makes some sloppy mistakes with the gloves and when his batting isn't up to the standard he can be questions have to be asked. Steven davies seems to be the back up for the test arena and he'll want to stake his case for the series in the winter. Or if they go with buttler as the back up then he'll want to do that.

I despair - your main saving grace is that you are only 20. Out of interest Jimmy has had two poor test matches. What does this mean? Should questions be asked about his future? What if he has a 3rd poor game?

 

[CraigyLee]

Am i right in thinking if i get a ticket for the twenty20 i get to have a bit perv on Ellyse Perry first?

and we kick off at half 5 that day down palace?

 

[mackembhoy]

I despair - your main saving grace is that you are only 20. Out of interest Jimmy has had two poor test matches. What does this mean? Should questions be asked about his future? What if he has a 3rd poor game?

He'll be rested for the oval like, and i'm not saying drop priorbut im arguing priors place in the side shouldn't be a given. Nobody should be undroppable in cricket, strauss and cook got dropped and both came back far stronger.