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4th Ashes Test - Durham

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The 'umpires call' margin is far too big.

Half the ball hitting the stump is plumb, its knocking it out of the ground.
 

Hulkster said:
The 'umpires call' margin is far too big.

Half the ball hitting the stump is plumb, its knocking it out of the ground.
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Exactly. Either trust the technology or dont. If the technology says its hitting the stumps and everything else is in its favour, they should be out.

If a ball just fractionally clips the base line in tennis there is no "line judge's" call. Its in if hawkeye says its in. My stance on DRS has completely changed in this series
 
Teams should be made to tell the umpire what they are appealing before before it goes to review, if you think he's hit it you can't then suddenly start celebrating an LBW shout when it's proven your original appeal was unsuccessful.

Also, if you appeal LBW and it goes to umpire's call you shouldn't lose your review. It's bad enough that the ball is shown to be hitting the stumps, never mind losing a review over it
 
As the rules stand the correct decision was made.

What makes this all a shambles is that DRS was supposed to help the umpires and what it is doing is making them look like fools.

Whilst I would love technology in football, what is happening in cricket would be exaggerated ten fold in the premiership and I am beginning to think that that it would be unworkable.
 
Aberdeen Angus said:
Exactly. Either trust the technology or dont. If the technology says its hitting the stumps and everything else is in its favour, they should be out.

If a ball just fractionally clips the base line in tennis there is no "line judge's" call. Its in if hawkeye says its in. My stance on DRS has completely changed in this series
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But in tennis it's actually filmed, in cricket there's a predicted trajectory. That being said I agree half the ball seems a very large margin of error.

I assume if it had been hitting it would have been given LBW as the umpire had made an "obvious mistake" whereas just clipping means there was enough doubt to leave it not out. They check the whole delivery, that's why they look at the no ball first. I think what's happened is absolutely fine and I don't know why anyone's confused by it.
 
Aberdeen Angus said:
Exactly. Either trust the technology or dont. If the technology says its hitting the stumps and everything else is in its favour, they should be out.

If a ball just fractionally clips the base line in tennis there is no "line judge's" call. Its in if hawkeye says its in. My stance on DRS has completely changed in this series
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They've said all along that the idea of DRS is to get rid of howlers, which arguably it does. Can't see them changing it.
 
Marko said:
They've said all along that the idea of DRS is to get rid of howlers, which arguably it does. Can't see them changing it.
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it hasnt in this series. There have been quite a few instances of incorrect decisions being ignored as a result of umpires call
 
mikemanc said:
But in tennis it's actually filmed, in cricket there's a predicted trajectory. That being said I agree half the ball seems a very large margin of error.

I assume if it had been hitting it would have been given LBW as the umpire had made an "obvious mistake" whereas just clipping means there was enough doubt to leave it not out. They check the whole delivery, that's why they look at the no ball first. I think what's happened is absolutely fine and I don't know why anyone's confused by it.
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If they dont trust the predicted trajectory then the ICC shouldnt use it all.

No confusion from me with the looking at the lbw. What should have happened was 1. look to see if it was a legal delivery 2. see if he hit the ball. If the answer to either of those questions was no then that should have been the end of the review. Umpire thought he hit it, fielders thought he hit it and batsman knew he hadnt. You shouldnt be able to give a batsmen out for a dismissal that no-one appealed for. As previously posted by someone else, the precedent was set with Khan. Its a crap precedent for me
 
Aberdeen Angus said:
If they dont trust the predicted trajectory then the ICC shouldnt use it all.

No confusion from me with the looking at the lbw. What should have happened was 1. look to see if it was a legal delivery 2. see if he hit the ball. If the answer to either of those questions was no then that should have been the end of the review. Umpire thought he hit it, fielders thought he hit it and batsman knew he hadnt. You shouldnt be able to give a batsmen out for a dismissal that no-one appealed for. As previously posted by someone else, the precedent was set with Khan. Its a crap precedent for me
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One thing though, you don't appeal a specific mode of dismissal. It's a simple question to the Umpire, 'How is that?'.

Two lefties in, give Swann a twirl before lunch.
 
Steak Pie said:
One thing though, you don't appeal a specific mode of dismissal. It's a simple question to the Umpire, 'How is that?'.
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very true. It's very difficult. DRS has raised more problems than solutions which wasnt its purpose.

That is why I am starting to lean towards going back to how it was.
 
Aberdeen Angus said:
very true. It's very difficult. DRS has raised more problems than solutions which wasnt its purpose.

That is why I am starting to lean towards going back to how it was.
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Which makes what just happened with Rodgers even more silly.

The Ump decided he hit it, so gave him out on appeal. On review it's found to be LBW, so should still be out on appeal.

I'm assuming if it had been shown to be hitting full on rather than Umpires call, then it would have been out. Which makes a bit of a mockery of the 'Umpire's call' in this situation, as the Ump hadn't considered LBW as he thought he hit it.
 
I was at the test yesterday and had a cracking time despite a pretty poor batting performance.

Great to see us fighting back today.
 
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