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[BBC] Miners' Di Canio protest 'will only end with Sunderland campaign support'

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LUBITSCH said:
Yes, it's a pity the anti-Paolo mob have dragged politics onto the PF forum.
Unfortunately, because they have been overwhelmingly from the left it has become inevitable that politics have poured onto PF. It's no fault of Paolo, it's the pathetic and precious, trouble-making anti-Paolo brigade.
I'm pleased that so many on the left have seen through the nonsense and supported PDC from the start, or based any concerns purely on football matters.
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It's those bloody extremists sullying wor name, man. ;)
 

Locke's SAFC said:
You won't find a government in the world, in any period, that hasn't controlled information to some extent - but there are degrees.

Clearly, economically speaking the conservatives are a liberal party, e.g. promoting competition; socially they're a conservative party - and this is where I disagree with them.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'controlling the masses' in this context - give me an example and I'll get back to you.
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Well for starters, going back a few years on what grounds could the Tories honestly consider the banning of trade union membership at GCHQ? We all know the rhetoric which they came out with, but surely this banning was against a persons free will.
It was the Tory way of manipulating and controlling people, they did try it elsewhere too.
 
viccarlton said:
Well for starters, going back a few years on what grounds could the Tories honestly consider the banning of trade union membership at GCHQ? We all know the rhetoric which they came out with, but surely this banning was against a persons free will.
It was the Tory way of manipulating and controlling people, they did try it elsewhere too.
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New Labour - they wanted compulsory ID cards, a DNA database, road pricing which would have given them the ability to monitor everyone's movements, draconian anti-terror laws etc. Thank heavens they didn't get another term.

I think that trumps the Tory's attempts at control and manipulation.
 
Morse said:
New Labour - they wanted compulsory ID cards, a DNA database, road pricing which would have given them the ability to monitor everyone's movements, draconian anti-terror laws etc. Thank heavens they didn't get another term.

I think that trumps the Tory's attempts at control and manipulation.
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I've never claimed that New Labour were any good (they're not) but to claim that the lefties are solely responsible for the state this country is in is just wrong.
The Tories have removed heavy industry from this country, and turned us into some mamby pamby call centre, service industry state, producing next to nothing, thereby leaving us within an economic vacuum that will never be corrected.
Their current austerity programme (imo) isn't helping the country at all regarding encouraging manufacturing etc.
 
rowley2 said:
You won't either. Fascism, as they seem to insist on discussing, was a product of the left. Mussolini was an ardent revolutionary socialist. Fascism was his invention. To this day, the BNP, who are the only party ever described as fascist in the UK, have a manifesto far to the left of that ever held by a mainstream party here.

As bad as it was by the way, fascism was responsible for many times fewer deaths than it's near cousin Communism. They may have fought wars with each other but these two "isms" have more in common with each other than they have separating them.

But don't expect even a thin grasp of history from the type of individuals who are keen to be seen mouthing of on this subject. They appear to have learned what little they know from a BBC leaflet.
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Haway mate, what you on about my grandfather/uncle/dad died fighting fascism..........so we could all be free....didnt he?
 
viccarlton said:
Well for starters, going back a few years on what grounds could the Tories honestly consider the banning of trade union membership at GCHQ? We all know the rhetoric which they came out with, but surely this banning was against a persons free will.
It was the Tory way of manipulating and controlling people, they did try it elsewhere too.
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Couldn't agree more, mate, and I've never been sold on the idea of censorship on the grounds of 'the national interest'.

This doesn't compare, though, to the left wanting to ban whole organisations.

The conservatives felt there was a conflict of interest between the unions and defence. Their solution wouldn't be my solution, but it's not comparable to banning organisations.

And, regarding your post below: New Labour weren't all bad.

For instance, they invested heavily in education, which I support whole heartedly. One of many reasons why I'm not a conservative is that to me education is more important than defence, so I was certainly with New Labour on that one. Shame they were so frivolous with tax payers money when it came to welfare.

And, the conservatives didn't 'remove' heavy industry in the context you mean it. Quite simply Britain was being out-performed by a variety of countries, and much of that was down to groups like the unions who saw change as a threat and acted accordingly.
 
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gipetto said:
They were unsustainable and bringing the country to its knees everytime they went on strike.

Had the NE focused on education and knowledge based industries we wouldn't be in the state we are currently in. These people are parasites, they have nothing better to do with their time and that makes them dangerous.

They have in effect got the club in a corner now, if the club do not support them they will label them as fascist sympathisers.
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Are you really that f***ing stupid?
Hopper is a bellend but you really have no idea about the miners or anything else do you?
 
DJP said:
Aye, you're right marra. I told my dad to contact the Echo but he said he doesn't want any fuss. He's happy chucking the money he used to give to the union down his throat! :p
Quite ironic really giving that Hopper was never without a pint during the strike himself. :confused:
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Happy days, my regards to your Dad mate, hope he's enjoying his beers. ;)
 
Their cover photo on facebook, yet they have a dig at a bloke wearing a T-shirt that says "God, Country, Family", couldnt make this shit up :lol:

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pokerjace said:
Are you really that f***ing stupid?
Hopper is a bellend but you really have no idea about the miners or anything else do you?
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Yes I do but you obviously have an emotional attachment to it. We were too reliant on an industry. We have never been motivated by education and knowledge based industries in the region. Do you disagree?
 
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gipetto said:
Yes I do but you obviously have an emotional attachment to it. We were too reliant on an industry. We have never been motivated by education and knowledge based industries in the region. Do you disagree?
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Your ignorance knows no bounds.
 
gipetto said:
It's not surprising you're on the other side of the fence and as usual you post without providing any substantiation to support your view.
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You've written off an entire industry because of the actions of an old fat bellend who wants some attention. Why do you think the germans still mine for coal? Just for a laugh? What are your energy bills like at the minute? Do you like mass unemployment?
 
Mackem00 said:
You've written off an entire industry because of the actions of an old fat bellend who wants some attention. Why do you think the germans still mine for coal? Just for a laugh? What are your energy bills like at the minute? Do you like mass unemployment?
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No I haven't at all. You've missed the point completely. Do the germans bring the country to its knees by proposing pay strikes whenever they fancy? They got greedy, whether it was the miners or the trade unions they were led by and in support of.
 
viccarlton said:
Well for starters, going back a few years on what grounds could the Tories honestly consider the banning of trade union membership at GCHQ? We all know the rhetoric which they came out with, but surely this banning was against a persons free will.
It was the Tory way of manipulating and controlling people, they did try it elsewhere too.
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'Closed shop' agreements.

viccarlton said:
No they don't, because they are valued by their Government and are treat accordingly.
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a) do you know how much the subsidies are per tonne of coal in Germany?

b) did you know that there are only three mines left in Germany?

c) or, due to the fact that the government is phasing out the subsidies [by 2018], that these three remaining mines will also shut [again by 2018]?
 
If the clubs says fuck off is Kim Jong hooper going to threaten it in some way
Fire a mid range firework at the aol
 
jcrossan said:
My father was a miner, my grandfather was a miner and my great grandfather was a miner.

They held their grudges - you couldn;t mention Churchill in our house growing up - but as lifelong Sunderland supporters they would have laughed at this nonsense. They had other things to worry about than what some bloke did years ago in the heat of a football match or what he might have said or not said.
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Great post. My Granda & uncle fell out over their opinions on that arsehole Scargill & never spoke to one another again. Likewise Churchill's name was shite in our family for his attitude towards the working class & particularly sending troops to break the miners strike.
 
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