Borthwick

[safcdccc]

You are going way over the top and refuse to see things anything other than black and white.

128 runs in the last 5 LVCC games and 10 wickets. Now, if you think 25 runs and 2 wickets a game is excellent and that it is worthy of a place in the team then that's your prerogative. We aren't using him correctly or enough to justify his continued inclusion.

I think his overall contribution in recent games has been excellent in the field, with the bat and when called up he's bowled well.

We aren't bowling him much purely because of the excellent bowling by Onions/Thorp/Rushworth, as our bowling points prove. Mark Wood also taking wickets as well. Pointless changing a working system which is our bowling attack.

Borthwick took 3 wickets yesterday, crucial wickets as they all were.

He had a tough time of things pre T20 (turning out for Chester Le Street won't have pleased him). Since then he's made a major contribution to the side both in the Pro 40 and the LVCC.

We used him correctly yesterday and for that reason and recent LVCC performances, he's more than worthy of a place in the team at the moment.

 

[randle]

I think his overall contribution in recent games has been excellent in the field, with the bat and when called up he's bowled well.

We aren't bowling him much purely because of the excellent bowling by Onions/Thorp/Rushworth, as our bowling points prove. Mark Wood also taking wickets as well. Pointless changing a working system which is our bowling attack.

Borthwick took 3 wickets yesterday, crucial wickets as they all were.

He had a tough time of things pre T20 (turning out for Chester Le Street won't have pleased him). Since then he's made a major contribution to the side both in the Pro 40 and the LVCC.

We used him correctly yesterday and for that reason and recent LVCC performances, he's more than worthy of a place in the team at the moment.

I'd hate to see a player you think isn't being used correctly and isn't contributing.

For the record - I think he's a cracking player.

 

[safcdccc]

I'd hate to see a player you think isn't being used correctly and isn't contributing.

For the record - I think he's a cracking player.

The only player people may have a valid reason to say isn't contributing at the moment is Will Smith. Struggling big time at present.

Borthwick deserves his place in the side, his contribution has been excellent.

 

[randle]

The only player people may have a valid reason to say isn't contributing at the moment is Will Smith. Struggling big time at present.

Borthwick deserves his place in the side, his contribution has been excellent.

It hasn't no matter how much you try to 'spin' it.

 

[safcdccc]

It hasn't no matter how much you try to 'spin' it.

As I said pre T20 he was having a tough time.

Since then he's been excellent in all departments and it's pleasing a lot of people to see how well he's bounced back from a tough start.

Very useful player for Durham, just hope he doesn't leave.

Averaging 17 with the bat this season in the LVCC, not too bad given the state of our batting this season.

Averaging 26 with the ball, very much under used but that's a good thing as our fast bowlers have been excellent. Rushy, Thorp and Onions averaging under 20, with Stokes just over 20.

 

[Twisted]

It hasn't no matter how much you try to 'spin' it.

funny then, that everyone on this thread totally disagrees with you.

you want to have batsmen down to 8 and three seamers in the squad, that is your suggestion yeah?

playing devil's advocate here but which batsman would you have instead of him, richardson? [who has a worse average so far this year] muchall? [who has a worse average so far this year]

 

[randle]

funny then, that everyone on this thread totally disagrees with you.

you want to have batsmen down to 8 and three seamers in the squad, that is your suggestion yeah?

playing devil's advocate here but which batsman would you have instead of him, richardson? [who has a worse average so far this year] muchall? [who has a worse average so far this year]

I couldn't care less what everyone else thinks. He doesn't bowl enough overs and doesn't score enough runs whilst batting at number 8 to be a justified selection. We've been playing on seamer friendly wickets and there's no reason why we could not have gone into the games with 3 seamers, Stokes and Collingwood.

I've said repeatedly that he's a cracking cricketer but there is little justification for him playing him if all you're going to get in return is 25 runs per match and a couple of wickets.

 

[safcdccc]

I couldn't care less what everyone else thinks. He doesn't bowl enough overs and doesn't score enough runs whilst batting at number 8 to be a justified selection. We've been playing on seamer friendly wickets and there's no reason why we could not have gone into the games with 3 seamers, Stokes and Collingwood.

I've said repeatedly that he's a cracking cricketer but there is little justification for him playing him if all you're going to get in return is 25 runs per match and a couple of wickets.

He doesn't bowl enough because we are one of the best (if not the best) bowling side in the league. When called upon he's done well since the T20 and his fielding has improved massively. As already mentioned, his innings and partnership with Thorp vs Middlesex has proven to be a major turning point in our LVCC season.

It's nice to think we can fall back on Collingwood and Borthwick if the others aren't doing the business.

 

[Twisted]

I couldn't care less what everyone else thinks. He doesn't bowl enough overs and doesn't score enough runs whilst batting at number 8 to be a justified selection. We've been playing on seamer friendly wickets and there's no reason why we could not have gone into the games with 3 seamers, Stokes and Collingwood.

I've said repeatedly that he's a cracking cricketer but there is little justification for him playing him if all you're going to get in return is 25 runs per match and a couple of wickets.

he is not bowling as much as has been pointed out because our top seamers are taking wickets at 15 ish.

and in the context of this season 25 runs is a pretty handy score tbh

 

[safcdccc]

he is not bowling as much as has been pointed out because our top seamers are taking wickets at 15 ish.

and in the context of this season 25 runs is a pretty handy score tbh

Agreed and agreed.

 

[brandon]

he is not bowling as much as has been pointed out because our top seamers are taking wickets at 15 ish.

and in the context of this season 25 runs is a pretty handy score tbh

25 runs is a good score for any number 8 in truth.

 

[randle]

25 runs is a good score for any number 8 in truth.

He is averaging 25 runs per MATCH over the last 5 games. You know those things with, for the most part, 2 innings for each team. This is with him performing well since the t20s according to some. He has 10 wickets in the same period. Roughly 1 per innings.

 

[Steak Pie]

I couldn't care less what everyone else thinks. He doesn't bowl enough overs and doesn't score enough runs whilst batting at number 8 to be a justified selection. We've been playing on seamer friendly wickets and there's no reason why we could not have gone into the games with 3 seamers, Stokes and Collingwood.

I've said repeatedly that he's a cracking cricketer but there is little justification for him playing him if all you're going to get in return is 25 runs per match and a couple of wickets.

Colly's bowling days are pretty much behind him.

I think the Notts game proves why Borthwick is in the team, and why he should stay.

 

[Twisted]

I couldn't care less what everyone else thinks. He doesn't bowl enough overs and doesn't score enough runs whilst batting at number 8 to be a justified selection. We've been playing on seamer friendly wickets and there's no reason why we could not have gone into the games with 3 seamers, Stokes and Collingwood.

I've said repeatedly that he's a cracking cricketer but there is little justification for him playing him if all you're going to get in return is 25 runs per match and a couple of wickets.

I'm sure you don't, im just pointing out that since everyone disagrees with you, it's more than likely that you're wrong.

I can't be bothered with this anymore, you seem unable to listen to or accept reason.

 

[randle]

I'm sure you don't, im just pointing out that since everyone disagrees with you, it's more than likely that you're wrong.

I can't be bothered with this anymore, you seem unable to listen to or accept reason.

Reason? He hardly ever gets a bowl and rarely scores runs but is a shoe in for selection.

Colly's bowling days are pretty much behind him.

I think the Notts game proves why Borthwick is in the team, and why he should stay.

3 wickets (not cheaply in the context of the game) and 10 runs. Still hardly setting the world alight.

 

[Steak Pie]

Reason? He hardly ever gets a bowl and rarely scores runs but is a shoe in for selection.

3 wickets (not cheaply in the context of the game) and 10 runs. Still hardly setting the world alight.

Held one end up for 2 hours when Notts were coasting, took a couple of crucial wickets with the old ball. You know, like a spinner on the final day.

Crucial to the balance of the side IMO. You can't just say that the seamers are winning games so chuck the spinner out, you have to cover all bases. Borthwick is the best turner at the club with the added bonus that he bats.

 

[randle]

Held one end up for 2 hours when Notts were coasting, took a couple of crucial wickets with the old ball. You know, like a spinner on the final day.

Crucial to the balance of the side IMO. You can't just say that the seamers are winning games so chuck the spinner out, you have to cover all bases. Borthwick is the best turner at the club with the added bonus that he bats.

I know the virtues of having a spinner but we haven't needed one, especially at home, for the vast majority of the season. Up until the other week he had bowled 40 odd overs all season in the LVCC. Borthwick is a good cricketer but circumstances have dictated that he could have and should have been left out of the team this season.

 

[safcdccc]

fuckin hell man he's hardly bowling because we have the best bowling attack in the country at the moment with 36 bowling points. We have absolutely no reason at all to give Borthwick extra overs, when what is happening at the moment is working (as our bowling points prove).

I've said in my opinion, Borthwick was struggling before the T20 and he wasn't even in the team for the Somerset game away.

Since then he's made a very important contribution to the team which has coincided with our LVCC wins. He also batted well down at Sussex, scoring a 50.

To whinge on he isn't bowling enough is laughable, given the amount of bowling points we have at the moment.

Thorp, Onions and Rushworth are all averaging under 20 at the moment and Stokes is averaging about 20-21. We've also got Mark Wood playing very well at the moment, 5 wickets on Saturday.

When called upon he's doing well as proven on Saturday in a game we won.

I know the virtues of having a spinner but we haven't needed one, especially at home, for the vast majority of the season. Up until the other week he had bowled 40 odd overs all season in the LVCC. Borthwick is a good cricketer but circumstances have dictated that he could have and should have been left out of the team this season.

Just as well he wasn't left out of the team against Middlesex eh?

3 wickets (not cheaply in the context of the game) and 10 runs. Still hardly setting the world alight.

Notts were swinging the bat and chasing the win, even when they were 8 wickets down they were still going daft with the bat trying to get the win as time was running out.

Anyway I'm off down to watch us hopefully avoid defeat.

Nice catch by borthwick ten mins into the game.

 

[randle]

Looks like we will need a spinner on this batsmens' paradise.

 

[safcdccc]

Looks like we will need a spinner on this batsmens' paradise.

he's batting well in this innings and kept it going to get us over 200 to help us claim a crucial batting point. Currently 3rd top scorer in our innings with 23 not out off 50 balls

Keep up the good work Borthwick