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England v India - 3rd ODI

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feel for the bowlers they have bowled well, we were always 25-30 runs short due to Trott. He needs dropping until he starts playing some attacking shots for the team instead of his saftey first tatics.

BIG BAZ said:
We had this won 3 overs ago and conspired to fuckin throw it away
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did we balls have it won
 

eddyfinn said:
feel for the bowlers they have bowled well, we were always 25-30 runs short due to Trott. He needs dropping until he starts playing some attacking shots for the team instead of his saftey first tatics.



did we balls have it won
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We had plenty of chances to win that game like and in all honesty should have done.
 
eddyfinn said:
they needed less than 10 an over with 5 wickets in hand thats easy for most teams off the last 4 overs
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It is with Dernbach bowling...We lost discipline when we needed it most..Fuckin Keiswetter wants shooting for his display today and some of the fielding at the end was dire.They needed 30 0ff 3 overs and and had we took our chances India would have had new batsmen at the crease..id have fancied our chances then.Bowl full and striaght at the death and you have a chance of tying up the batsmen...bowl short and ya might as well hand it to them on a plate
 
BIG BAZ said:
It is with Dernbach bowling...We lost discipline when we needed it most..Fuckin Keiswetter wants shooting for his display today and some of the fielding at the end was dire.They needed 30 0ff 3 overs and and had we took our chances India would have had new batsmen at the crease..id have fancied our chances then.Bowl full and striaght at the death and you have a chance of tying up the batsmen...bowl short and ya might as well hand it to them on a plate
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I dont mind maybe 1 slower ball an over, make the batsman's eyes light up when they see a one that isn't a yorker and the chances are they might sky it.

But Dernbach bowling an entire over of awful, slow full tosses lost us the game.
 
essex boy said:
anyone know where the next world cup is

England may as well pack in one day cricket and concentrate on tests and 20/20
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I'm liking your thinking on that, more test cricket in place of hit and giggle could only be a good thing. We should ditch 20/20 as well and we would have time for even more test cricket. Fantastic! ;-):-D
 
ProfessionalMackem said:
Erm I think Finn is getting away from the criticism that he deserves, 14 off that over was shocking.

Have we not got any death bowlers left?
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Had it not been for his superb 9 overs previous we wouldn't have even been in a position to win the game.

There's plenty of blame to be proportioned before we get to Finn.
 
Would be nice to lose with a bit of class and dignity

This must be the result of flooding the side with saffers, ok when your winning I guess

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When we hammered them in England we were very aggresisive bouncers etc (sent quite a few home early with broken fingers)

Now i know the surfaces in India are more placid but i reckon we only bowled about 2 bouncers one which took a wicket.
 
essex boy said:
thus far the batsman have posted two below par scores and one par score, its hardly the bowlers fault
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300 is hardly that below par though is it?

The bowlers have to take some of the blame for me like. The average 1st innings score was about 255 with only one team chasing anything near that score. Pakistan 322 with the next highest to win about 250ish.

Yes we were about 10-20 short but that doesnt negate the fact that the bowlers looked toothless. Arnt our bowlers not allowed to win us a game now and again?

We cant always blame the batsmen just to suit your agenda.
 
ProfessionalMackem said:
300 is hardly that below par though is it?

The bowlers have to take some of the blame for me like. The average 1st innings score was about 255 with only one team chasing anything near that score. Pakistan 322 with the next highest to win about 250ish.

Yes we were about 10-20 short but that doesnt negate the fact that the bowlers looked toothless. Arnt our bowlers not allowed to win us a game now and again?

We cant always blame the batsmen just to suit your agenda.
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300 was the par score. India are very accustomed to chasing 300 on home surfaces.
 
essex boy said:
300 was the par score. India are very accustomed to chasing 300 on home surfaces.
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Not at that ground. What was their highest score chasing there before last night?

Quick serch on cricinfo suggests that prior to last night their highest chase was 185 against the mighty Bangladesh in 1998.

Out of the 12 match's played on that ground 9 have been won by the team Batting 1st. The other win batting 2nd was a megre total of 123 against Sri Lanka in 2005.

So with all these stats against you. How can you blame the batters then Mr Essex Boy?

Stop spouting your propaganda against the batters and realise it was the bowlers/fielders fault that we lost last night.
 
ProfessionalMackem said:
Not at that ground. What was their highest score chasing there before last night?

Quick serch on cricinfo suggests that prior to last night their highest chase was 185 against the mighty Bangladesh in 1998.

Out of the 12 match's played on that ground 9 have been won by the team Batting 1st. The other win batting 2nd was a megre total of 123 against Sri Lanka in 2005.

So with all these stats against you. How can you blame the batters then Mr Essex Boy?

Stop spouting your propaganda against the batters and realise it was the bowlers/fielders fault that we lost last night.
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a strike rate of not even 80 isnt good enough when you bat the majority of the overs

Trott out
 
essex boy said:
a strike rate of not even 80 isnt good enough when you bat the majority of the overs

Trott out
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:lol::lol:

Get your head out the sand man. I agree with you about Trott. However he wasnt the reason we lost last night.

From bbc sport about Trott, makes interesting reading

Trott averages 78.58 runs per 100 balls, placing him well off the pace of seasoned one-day destroyers like Virender Sehwag (104) and Shahid Afridi (113).

But compared with his rivals for a place in the England side, Trott’s numbers stack up rather nicely.

Alastair Cook has a similar strike rate of 78.59, but his average is only 37. Ravi Bopara, an infinitely more gifted strokeplayer than Trott, clocks in at 75, while Ian Bell - the player most likely to replace Trott in the England side - comes in at 73.37.

Of England’s regular top five, only Kevin Pietersen and Craig Kieswetter score more quickly than Trott, but while the former has not scored a one-day century in his last 33 innings, the latter has just one ton in his 26 ODI knocks.
 
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