another who misses the point
The point is without 20/20 cricket players would push their bodies more to play test cricket. Now they dont have to
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another who misses the point
The point is without 20/20 cricket players would push their bodies more to play test cricket. Now they dont have to
Mainze
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Totally agree, cricket stuck in a rut, it needs the 20/20 cash cow but wants to preserve the traditional game. Outside of England and the Ashes games in Oz, Test match arena's are nearly empty. Tough years ahead for test cricket
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Totally agree, cricket stuck in a rut, it needs the 20/20 cash cow but wants to preserve the traditional game. Outside of England and the Ashes games in Oz, Test match arena's are nearly empty. Tough years ahead for test cricket
Aleem Dar
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What's more shocking is you making sensible posts.
I agree with everything that's been said - cricket is stuck in a rut and the day Steven Finn is classed as a genuine out-and-out quick will be the final death knell. People were saying Dernbach was rapid because he was amongst the quickest in the LVCC yet when he's been thrust into the international game he's no quicker than everyone else.
The sheer amount of cricket is to blame, and that doesn't just lie with the emergence of 20/20. It's a culmination of it. These days its the norm to have 4 Tests, 7 ODIs and 3 20/20 in an international tour. Fitting all this in means playing back-to-back Tests, ODI's with only a days gap and ditto 20/20. Something had to give, and it did when several genuine quicks - Bond, Tait and Shoaib come to mind - started picking up more and more niggling injuries with little time to recover. This meant they could effectively pick and choose their games. And naturally people went to the shorter format which paid the biggest bucks.
Until the 20/20 cash cow implodes this won't change.
Mainze
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I understand what your point is, I just don't think we've got to the point yet where people are choosing to play T20 over test matches unless they are forced into the decision by falling to bits. The one exception to this is Malinga.
Flintoff was going to play for IPL side for a few years after retiring from tests before realising his body had totally packed up
Aleem Dar
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Who's the West Indian who sells himself as a T20 specialist? Name escapes me, atm, but he's refused to play Tests afaik to play T20 for various clubs around the globe.
Keiran Pollard
He has only played a few 4 day games so he aint no good either though dont forget
rentaghost
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Threads like these made this forum the best in the business
Aye, Kieran Pollard. Said he's going to scale back his T20 next year because he's made enough money to look after his family and he always wanted to play test cricket.
As EB said, he hasn't played many games and his record isn't that great. We'll see if he's a man of his word.
Actually I'm not sure if he refuses to play for WI or if he's part of the same dispute Gayle is having.
The Breen Machine
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I'd debate whether Kieron Pollard is even good enough to get a game in the WIndies test side. He probably would due to how poor they currently are, but he's nothing more than a hitter and dibbly dobbly bowler IMO. Whether that's down to him concentrating too much on T20 I don't know, but from all the T20 specialists around the world who are fit, there's only Malinga who would markedly improve any test team.
Its not whether they would improve them in the short term, clearly none would. Its what Pollard maybe doing in the test arena now, if hadnt spent the last 5 years touring the world perfecting his slog over cow for 6.
I would llike to point out that the worlds best test players or one day players have usually been the best in the other format anarl. Top players can adapt
The Breen Machine
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Thats fair enough but it's a lot of speculation to think that Pollard, Nannes etc. would automatically be good in another format as they are handy in another. Completely agree that the top players in the world can adapt and players like Kallis, KP, De Villiers have, players like Nannes and Pollard aren't near their class and would only improve poor test teams.
It is all speculation. How good might Ben Holliaoke have been? Who knows
Top draw 20/20 specialists will more often than not in time turn out good test players
Aleem Dar
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I didn't say he was much cop. It was just the debate about players making themselves unavailable for Test cricket to play T20 and that came into my head. Couldn't remember his name.
He also strikes me as a sort of Chris Gayle character. Everyone raves about him but whenever you watch him, he's poor.
On the whole, good cricketers are well.....good cricketers.
But Pollard is not a good cricketer....he is 20/20 cricketer. as is that Alfonso Thomas at Somerset to an extent
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Ben Stokes
hits it a mile but crap technique
But Pollard is not a good cricketer....he is 20/20 cricketer. as is that Alfonso Thomas at Somerset to an extent
and
sorry
but
maybe
Ben Stokes
hits it a mile but crap technique
3.142
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Rose tinted spectacles and all that. Also, other players used to seem better to us as they tore England apart, where now we do it to others but struggle to realise England have some VERY good players.
You could have the same debate on spinners if you wanted.. Warne, murali, kumble etc not replaced.
You could have the same debate on spinners if you wanted.. Warne, murali, kumble etc not replaced.
I'm not convinced that's the 2 way street you suggest. I can see how good test players will become good ODI/T20 players, as a bowler who is used to putting in 20+ overs per innings can easily do a sprint of 4 or 10 overs in quick succession. Equally, a batsman who can bat for 2 days in a test won't have a problem with half a day at the crease provided they can keep their strike rate high. I just don't see that a short game specialist is automatically going to be able to step up to the long game.
I hope I'm wrong as T20 could have a very useful place in the game for youngsters coming through to get international experience in matches where the result is not important.
Is David Warner now progressing towards the Aussie test team?
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