The Rolls Royce
Winger
Absolutely bonkers that Fabianski is still playing mind. Genuinely thought he was 40 about 10 years ago.
Wolves disallowed goal
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hank williams
Striker
Recall him playing for Swansea when we stuffed them in the premier league he was woeful that night
Roker Roar 59
Goalkeeper
He was in an offside position, standing right in front of the keeper, therefore interfering with play - so as offside as offside can be. Remember these knackers paid to talk nonsense about the game are the same ones that’ll say “he felt contact so was entitled to go down” or that someone was ‘smart’ and helped his team out by falling down clutching his face…….
hank williams
Striker
Or newest one just let go of him in time regarding shirt pulling
viccarlton
Striker
Neither did I, try harder.
Should never be disallowed like. You could disallow almost every single goal from a corner if VAR checked. Everyone shirt pulls and manhandles it’s a f***ing disgrace. They should have looked at that and said nothing is stopping or interfering with the keeper getting that ball as he’s absolutely miles away from it
Also watched some highlights other week of a match from the 90’s. It was striking how little shirtpulling and grappling went on at corners and how players going past another, and you’re watching it going well he’s going to pull him back here, but nothing happened. He just let him run past
it felt weird
Also watched some highlights other week of a match from the 90’s. It was striking how little shirtpulling and grappling went on at corners and how players going past another, and you’re watching it going well he’s going to pull him back here, but nothing happened. He just let him run past
it felt weird
Cool as Fridges
Subs Bench
He only becomes offside at the point the ball is headed.
He’s not offside when the corner is struck although he could still be deemed to be obstructing the GK. Had the ball gone directly in (a la Ward Prowse) then the ref could have had grounds to disallow the goal for obstruction. That being said, the defender doesn’t have to move out of the keepers way. He’s entitled to stand where he wants but he’s not allowed to hold his arms out and back to pin the keeper on the spot.
I don’t think it’s anywhere near as bad a decision as they’re making out. I only seen the replay once but I thought the pen Wolves got was very soft and potentially a worse decision - looked like Emerson played the ball.
Still need to bin VAR. It’s a shambles.
Sporty
Midfield
I know a player only becomes offside either when the ball is struck (or moves towards it intending to play in other circumstances). My point is that he's potentially in an offside position affecting the keeper's ability to see and play (or save) the ball prior to the point of heading. Take the Wolves player away completely from that chance and Fabianski has an unobstructed view and ability to play the ball, this is the law of the game isn't it?He only becomes offside at the point the ball is headed.
He’s not offside when the corner is struck although he could still be deemed to be obstructing the GK. Had the ball gone directly in (a la Ward Prowse) then the ref could have had grounds to disallow the goal for obstruction. That being said, the defender doesn’t have to move out of the keepers way. He’s entitled to stand where he wants but he’s not allowed to hold his arms out and back to pin the keeper on the spot.
I don’t think it’s anywhere near as bad a decision as they’re making out. I only seen the replay once but I thought the pen Wolves got was very soft and potentially a worse decision - looked like Emerson played the ball.
Still need to bin VAR. It’s a shambles.
That's what I meant with free kick example as you could have 2 players standing right in front of keeper completely blocking his view. They both step to the side the milliseconds before the contact is made so then the keeper then has an unobstructed view for those milliseconds so would be be OK? I honestly don't know to be honest given the ball isn't in play but why don't teams do this and limit the keeper's view prior to the kick?
As for the Wolves penna, although there's nowt in the laws of the game about getting the ball, the defender didn't get the ball. He ends up making contact with the Wolves player's boot and in this instance, it wouldn't matter if he got a touch on ball as the ball was still there to be player but he brought down the Wolves player. He also lunges into the challenge with both feet a foot off the deck which from the ref's point of view in real-time will have made it look worse than the slow-mo.
Some even said the Arsenal penna last night wasn't a penna as the defender "got the ball". Again the law is something about impeding an opponent with contact yet some people think getting a toenail on the ball means it's a clean tackle. I'm nee ref but for me it depends on what happens after because if an attacker could still play the ball, even after the defender touches it slightly but is then taken out by the defender then it's a foul. The attacker hasn't been dispossessed just because of the toenail on the ball and would still be in control of the ball if not for the foul. If the defender comes sliding in and clears the ball away from both players dispossessing the attacker or the defender comes away with the ball then it's not a foul. Pretty simple really and I suppose it's the ambiguity of whether the attacker has been dispossessed that is up for debate, not if the defender got a toenail on the ball before wiping out the attacker.
As for VAR, it's a farce but sadly it won't be binned. There will be a time the main ref is in the video room to look at things closely but make quick decisions for his assistant who is now on the pitch. This gets rid of the Clear & Obvious shite that allows so much inconsistency but it doesn't look like it's happening soon.
This needs to happen but there needs to be a panel of 5 including individuals from within the sport. It would cut out the whinging and the controversy.
Cool as Fridges
Subs Bench
It would depend on whether they were in an offside position when the ball is struck. If you’re onside you don’t have to move out of anyone’s way. It’s up to them to move around you - you’re just not allowed to stop them from doing that.
Fair enough on the pen. As I said, seen it once and thought it was a good tackle. If it wasn’t then fair do’s.
Get your point on ‘getting the ball’ too. Similarly, any contact in the box doesn’t mean an instant pen. The game is still a contact sport. That pen Chelsea were given against Burnley last week was ridiculous. There’s a lot of talk of being entitled to go down and the defender making contact - so f***ing what. VAR then sees a bit of contact and decides they can’t then say it was a clear and obvious error because he did touch him!
Postecoglu had it spot on - VAR and this search for perfection is for the birds. Refs have always made fewer mistakes than the players on the pitch. Let’s just accept them the way we do with mistakes from players and move on!
mackem1989
Striker
VAR for me at the moment is a good idea used by incorrectly. Needs to be a separate entity than the refs no links and no bias
prideofhylton
Winger
Shirley that goes for any player, not just the keeper?
Whitburnmakem
Winger
He can’t move off his line and come for the ball if someone is stood right infront of him who’s offside tho he may of took up a different position but he couldn’t move forward
Nil desperandum
Striker
The fact that Moyes was somehow favoured suggests that it should have been a goal. O'Neil has done remarkable job. Anybody who thinks otherwise knows nowt
This. Ref applies letter of the law thus should be above criticism. Applies common sense and, from WHU, is slated for not following the rules.
If we see that identical situation, for LFC, in the up-coming game I would bet it stands.
Just seen the Rangers penalty. Another ludicrous decision. There is contact however the cheating striker is already going down. The yellow card was the correct decision not, after VAR interfered, rescinding and awarding a penalty.
O’Neil is proving to be a very good manager.
The Butcher
Striker
Exactly, simple solution is font stand in a offside position in front of keeper.MOD presenters talking complete bollocks imho
'It doesn’t make sense' – MOTD pundits on Wolves 'goal'
Match of the Day pundits analyse the decision to disallow a late Wolves equaliser against West Ham, with Gary Lineker suggesting that VAR is taking over - and that football needs an appeal system.www.bbc.co.uk
The Wolves player is clearly there for one reason only, to interfere with the keeper and prevent him from having any chance of playing the ball and being offside when the ball is headed in the centre of the goal, to boot.
The whole corner scenario situation needs to be looked at with attacking players blocking off defenders and defenders not even looking at the ball whilst manhandling their opponent.
Done a great job. Still think he’s a knob. I’ve thought it for years and years since he was a player
DrewC
Striker
If he was not offsides the goalkeeper might have seen it a little earlier and given it a go to save it thou I still think no keeper gets it……Bad luck on Wolves hopefully the season averages out for them on calls
joop
Striker
They weren’t robbed though. It’s clearly offside. It’s irrelevant if the keeper could have saved the shot, the player was offside. Not even debatable really.
