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Inkman said:
"Talks in code", Is that the best you can do? :lol:

So when Corbyn says "It’s because I am driven by these British majority values, because I love this country, that I want to rid it of injustice, to make it fairer, more decent, more equal.", He really means "I hate the UK"? Laughable.



Your point being?

I would disagree with your inclusion of the USA along side Russia, China and Thailand. The USA has it's faults but it is ludicrous to suggest that it applies anywhere near the level of political violence and censorship on it's own people as Thailand, Russia or China.
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and trying to imply that Thailand is like the Wild West of violence is fair? I'm pretty sure Thailand doesn't have a Guantanamo type place where torture and all the other things you mention are common place.
The fact they do this of foreign nationals is worse than doing it to their own citizens as it shows they couldn't give a fuck about people's citizenship wherever they are from. Imagine some country imprisoning and torturing Americans and holding them without trial...

Thailand is no worse than loads of countries all around the world.


Also as all the polls suggest the popular view seems to be for air strikes, does that mean Jeremy will be right behind this majority view if it gets through parliament?
 


Boz33 said:
I'm pretty sure Thailand doesn't have a Guantanamo type place where torture and all the other things you mention are common place.
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Then you would be wrong. They may not all be held in the same place but the military junta has detained hundreds of politicians, journalists or protesters since the 2014 coup.

Boz33 said:
The fact they do this of foreign nationals is worse than doing it to their own citizens as it shows they couldn't give a fuck about people's citizenship wherever they are from. Imagine some country imprisoning and torturing Americans and holding them without trial...

Thailand is no worse than loads of countries all around the world.
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Saying that the military dictatorship Thailand is "no worse" than other countries around the world is hardly a ringing endorsement is it?

Thailand had an awful human rights record before the junta took over, it is getting worse now.

Boz33 said:
Also as all the polls suggest the popular view seems to be for air strikes, does that mean Jeremy will be right behind this majority view if it gets through parliament?
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It's not a majority view, it is down to 48%. The majority view was in favour of invading Iraq, they were wrong then too.
 
Inkman said:
Then you would be wrong. They may not all be held in the same place but the military junta has detained hundreds of politicians, journalists or protesters since the 2014 coup.



Saying that the military dictatorship Thailand is "no worse" than other countries around the world is hardly a ringing endorsement is it?

Thailand had an awful human rights record before the junta took over, it is getting worse now.



It's not a majority view, it is down to 48%. The majority view was in favour of invading Iraq, they were wrong then too.
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I'm assuming you have the links to show Guantanamo scale torture in Thailand?

I've never said Thailand was some beacon of how a country should be, but it's not in the same league as a shed load of others and trying to portray it otherwise is just churlish.

As for the majority view, since the poll states that 48% are for and 31% are against that is going to act as a majority for the vote purpose.
Again, since this is a democracy and Corbyn says he's all for democracy, does this mean if the vote goes through he's going to be behind the decision...or does democracy only work when it goes with his views?
 
Boz33 said:
I'm assuming you have the links to show Guantanamo scale torture in Thailand?
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You could start here:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/thailand/report-thailand/

Boz33 said:
I've never said Thailand was some beacon of how a country should be, but it's not in the same league as a shed load of others and trying to portray it otherwise is just churlish.
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I never compared it to any country, you have been doing that. I simply pointed out the censorship, lack of democracy, kidnappings, killings and torture.

Boz33 said:
As for the majority view, since the poll states that 48% are for and 31% are against that is going to act as a majority for the vote purpose.
Again, since this is a democracy and Corbyn says he's all for democracy, does this mean if the vote goes through he's going to be behind the decision...or does democracy only work when it goes with his views?
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Do you understand how democracy works? If the majority vote for something to happen it doesn't mean that those who opposed it have to then back the idea. It's a ridiculous notion.

Why would Corbyn, or anyone, have to support a bombing campaign just because the other side of the house got more votes? Should labour start backing all Tory policies when they have been voted through parliament? Should labour have supported the Poll Tax when that was voted through? Crazy talk.
 
Out of interest - those in uproar on here, what is it about taking action in Syria that you disagree with.

Would you prefer we had a 'boots on the ground' type strategy instead?

Serious question, not stirring.
 
Brian Griffin said:
Out of interest - those in uproar on here, what is it about taking action in Syria that you disagree with.

Would you prefer we had a 'boots on the ground' type strategy instead?

Serious question, not stirring.
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apparently the problem is already within so its pointless however if you ask what should be done about that dont expect any answers
 
alzeebub said:
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Unfortunately leaving it alone to sort itself out is even less palatable given those facts. Stop the immediate threat, learn the lessons and don't repeat them. We've got a situation where both sides are right but we have to take both courses of action - one or the other exclusively will mean failure.
 
Brian Griffin said:
Out of interest - those in uproar on here, what is it about taking action in Syria that you disagree with.

Would you prefer we had a 'boots on the ground' type strategy instead?

Serious question, not stirring.
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You might be better off posting it on the thread about bombing Syria, plenty of suggestions on there.
 
JumpingAnaconda said:
Let me make this clear, I think Corbyn needs to be elected to be Labour leader, because he will destroy the party. Then the Labour party will split, most of the superficial careerists they have in the party will give up and disappear when they lose their seats on the next spin, and potentially the overtly socialist left-wing dogma that has polluted the party since the mid 60's will finally be extinguished, and we can have a party and opposition with politicians that don't cry wolf about every single issue, and treat the incumbent ruling government with some respect.
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The mods might need to move this thread to the 'Politics' thread, please, but I thought I would bump it as I think we could be right on the verge of the split I predicted above.
 
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