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Nelson! said:
Alexi Lallas and Michael Ballack were arguing about this on the post-match analysis I watched. Ballack said England were boring and it wasn't how football should be played, Lallas responded "we can't all be Germany, they did what they needed to do against a stronger team and there's a beauty in that".......you could tell they were genuinely pissed off with each other too. Macmanaman (suprisingly) summed it up best saying it's ok to play that way against france and do a job, if they line up the same way in the next too questions will rightly be asked.

I think the media vendetta might actually help out Hodgson with the genuine fans. In the past when the media have stuck the boot in the manager has generally been disliked or has failed with a good squad. Hodgson is a nice bloke working with a poor set of players and I don't think people will like him taking the blame, they'll see right through the "we want 'arry" campaign.

Spot on that last bit IMO. I think most England fans realise that the media has played its part in past failings by over hyping our sides and would settle for a team not a collection of over hyped individuals. IMO the press are dipping their toes testing the water over Hodgson as a lot of fans are backing the bloke. They don't want to totally blast him yet as they ll look even bigger twats if Hodgsons team do well.
 
Id say only ashley cole is better than what theyve got tbh mate. Chiellini and bonucci are better than what we ahve. As for de rossi and parker :lol::lol:

Glenn johnson and their right back is a close on though as i havent seen much of him

Buffon is also better than joe hart atm

I'd much rather face Italy than Croatia. Italy aren't a team I'd fear as opposed to Spain/Germany for example. I don't think they are as good as what you'e trying to suggest.

I'm happy enough with that England starting defence.

England got it spot on last night, we aren't world beaters. Bit like Sunderland have to against more attacking minded teams.
 
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We concede far too much of the ball every time we play, 9 times out of 10 france would have beat us in that game. When we meet italy or spain in the next round we're going home, sadly

Because we haven't got the players to play a possession game hence why we're set up the way we are.

It amazes me people can't see this, Hodgson got it spot on last night
 
Yep england wont have lampard mikel essien, mata, drogba, torres, luiz and cahill in there team though

Mikel, Torres, Essien?

Terry and Lescott is a better pairing than Luiz and Cahill, they also had bloody Bosingwa in there and some kid on the wing.
 
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Utter bollocks as to you don't have to play strikers or they wouldn't put England to bed? Next match they'll most likely drop fabregas and play torres or llorente anyway so i dont see that being a problem again

Spain playing without strikers didn't work. If they played without strikers, they wouldn't put England to bed. I'd be surprised if they score more than an average of a goal per game.

We concede far too much of the ball every time we play, 9 times out of 10 france would have beat us in that game. When we meet italy or spain in the next round we're going home, sadly

8 times out 10 that game is drawn. 1 each out of ten chance for an England/France win.
 
Because we haven't got the players to play a possession game hence why we're set up the way we are.

It amazes me people can't see this, Hodgson got it spot on last night

No we dont have the players to keep possession, but we have the players in young, chamberlain, gerrard, milner( dare i say it) walcott, henderson and rooney to actually have a go at people. Although i think france are a better team than us their defence doesnt fill me or others with much confidence and if we'd actually tried to add to our 1-0 lead we might have actually beat them
 
No we dont have the players to keep possession, but we have the players in young, chamberlain, gerrard, milner( dare i say it) walcott, henderson and rooney to actually have a go at people. Although i think france are a better team than us their defence doesnt fill me or others with much confidence and if we'd actually tried to add to our 1-0 lead we might have actually beat them

Or more likely, they'd have used the extra space and their better attacking players to beat us.
 
I'd much rather face Italy than Croatia. Italy aren't a team I'd fear as opposed to Spain/Germany for example. I don't think they are as good as what you'e trying to suggest.

I'm happy enough with that England starting defence.

England got it spot on last night, we aren't world beaters. Bit like Sunderland have to against more attacking minded teams.

So you'd rather face jelavic and mandzucic as to balotelli, cassano, di natale, pirlo, de rossi and chiellini. I think only modric would be anywhere near the italian starting line up, maybe srna
 
No we dont have the players to keep possession, but we have the players in young, chamberlain, gerrard, milner( dare i say it) walcott, henderson and rooney to actually have a go at people. Although i think france are a better team than us their defence doesnt fill me or others with much confidence and if we'd actually tried to add to our 1-0 lead we might have actually beat them

We have a go and leave ourselves open?

A draw was a very good result, the whinging about how we played is pathetic and two faced. Every man and his dog was critical of how we went about our previous tournamant game, a 4-1 drubbing to germany.
 
So you'd rather face jelavic and mandzucic as to balotelli, cassano, di natale, pirlo, de rossi and chiellini. I think only modric would be anywhere near the italian starting line up, maybe srna

As I've said I would rather play Italy than Croatia
 
No we dont have the players to keep possession, but we have the players in young, chamberlain, gerrard, milner( dare i say it) walcott, henderson and rooney to actually have a go at people. Although i think france are a better team than us their defence doesnt fill me or others with much confidence and if we'd actually tried to add to our 1-0 lead we might have actually beat them

The phrase of the thoughtless.

Think about it. All of the teams "weak at the back" have been the ones with the quality forwards and have played proactive football. Teams with solid defenders, or a general lack of quality in possession have played reactively, looking to counter. England tried to do this on a number of occasions with mixed results. The more they get used to the style of play and the more they play together, the better the results will be. We have plenty of young, quick, mobile players who can spring breaks with quick passing, and someone like Gerrard or dare I say even Terry can spring those breaks by firing it from deep. This is how you get at "weak defences".
 
That's the risk we're going to have to take though after the group stages

not really. you can keep looking for the counter, push them all the way, make them tired, drag it into extra time or whatever. no reason at all to expose ourselves
 
not really. you can keep looking for the counter, push them all the way, make them tired, drag it into extra time or whatever. no reason at all to expose ourselves

I can assure you we were the ones getting pushed all the way and looking most tired, i know we dont have the players to keep the ball, but theres a saying that if you chase the ball for 90 minutes you'll get tired first
 
I can assure you we were the ones getting pushed all the way and looking most tired, i know we dont have the players to keep the ball, but theres a saying that if you chase the ball for 90 minutes you'll get tired first

we were looking a bit tired, first game in ages. so were the french. that doesnt mean we have to expose ourselves in knockout stages does it
 
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65% of the ball, 16 more shots at goal? hey did hammer us and we wont get away with playing like that against any other top teams

Did Swansea hammer us at the SOL? They had miles more possession and chances
 
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