Yann M'Vila


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There has been a lot of talk about this in recent weeks and up until today I thought it was a bit overplayed, he was really poor today though. I think early in the season he was expected to do everything defensively and going forward. I think since Kirchoff has come into the side he is just doing a simpler, more restricted job. I thought he played well at Newcastle for example. Today though he had a stinker.
Wouldn't agree with a stinker
Below his usual standard for sure

The same Catts who completely outplayed him today, is that?
He didn't - change your specs mate
 
Wouldn't agree with a stinker
Below his usual standard for sure


He didn't - change your specs mate

I'm a fan of M'Vila he has dropped his standards a bit lately looking a bit leggy. I thought today was his poorerst game for us. He is clearly a notch above Cattermole for example but if you think he played better than him today I'm afraid its down to your deep ingrained view of Catts rather than what you saw with your own eyes IMO.
 
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I'm a fan of M'Vila he has dropped his standards a bit lately looking a bit leggy. I thought today was his poorerst game for us. He is clearly a notch above Cattermole for example but if you think he played better than him today I'm afraid its down to your deep ingrained view of Catts rather than what you saw with your own eyes IMO.
I didn't claim he played better than Cattermole- please clarify this ?
M,Vila has been tremendous for us this season , his form has dipped no doubt
Cattermole was decent but nowt to get carried away over , one or two good very good passes & a lot of mislaid passes

he was excellent today , if you can't see that , fair enough.
Excellent?
You at the game today ?
 
I didn't claim he played better than Cattermole- please clarify this ?
M,Vila has been tremendous for us this season , his form has dipped no doubt
Cattermole was decent but nowt to get carried away over , one or two good very good passes & a lot of mislaid passes


Excellent?
You at the game today ?

OK fair enough bud. I assumed your denial that Cattermole outplayed M'Vila and requesting that a poster 'change his specs' for thinking so meant that you probably thought that. My mistake.
 
I don't think he's as influential as earlier in the season.

But given that Kirchhoff is a certain starter , mvilla is a certain starter while cattermole, rodwell and then Larson fight it out tells you everything you need to know what Sam thinks.
 
Too many anchor men, blatantly exposed today.

By creating more chances and having more shots at goal that any other team in the division?

I take your point to be honest and think there are other things we can do such as playing Khazri central. I'm not having it though that Rodwell who doesn't score or create was somehow the missing link.
 
By creating more chances and having more shots at goal that any other team in the division?

I take your point to be honest and think there are other things we can do such as playing Khazri central. I'm not having it though that Rodwell who doesn't score or create was somehow the missing link.

At the start of the season if you gave me that 3 in the middle I would have been more than happy. Today though we just needed more options coming through the centre when the pressure is on. Anybody but Cattermole with that chance in the first half FFS.

There is time left though for us to get the little bit of luck we need as we had plenty of chances today....and no I don't think Rodwell is the answer.
 
he was excellent today , if you can't see that , fair enough.
Baffling isn't it as to how people are blanking out the positives Cattermole had in the game today. I just mentioned this and there's no denying that once you aren't keen on a player, you tend to notice the fuck ups etc more than you do the positive things. Today Cattermole was decent enough and M'Vila was simply quieter than usual and only made 3 tackles today, whereas he normally makes more. He still contributed quite a lot of passing with a high success rate but didn't get involved in the chances as much as Cattermole but that's to be expected as Cattermole was involved in 6 chances today.

I actually put that down to Cattermole as he recovered the ball 10 times according to the stats plus today he closed down quickly and tightly. Yet how many times does Rodwell do that and recover the ball? The simple answer is Rodwell doesn't do it that often as he stands off and gives the opposition time to pass it around him with ease so then it's up to M'Vila or Kirchhoff to do something about it of they are near.

I didn't claim he played better than Cattermole- please clarify this ?
M,Vila has been tremendous for us this season , his form has dipped no doubt
Cattermole was decent but nowt to get carried away over , one or two good very good passes & a lot of mislaid passes
It was 11 passes he fucked up but wasn't there more than 1 that if it came off would have been a good pass? Even so he still had a decent success rate. What about the balls he played into Defoe around the box that he had 2 chances from, the ball he fizzed across to Khazrhi who had his shot blocked or the ball to Yedlin? (I missed the Yedlin pass at the time so quoting others). That's 4 decent passes isn't it and I'd dare say there will be more that as he made 40 passes overall. Maybe I'm just talking decent enough passes (not just simple bog standard) unless we are talking Gerrard'esque stuff when you mean very good.

Anyway I wasn't there today so my posts mean fuck all anyway as I can't watch it on-demand via TV and rewind and watch bits again and again focusing in on what players do not just on the ball but also off it ;)

At the start of the season if you gave me that 3 in the middle I would have been more than happy. Today though we just needed more options coming through the centre when the pressure is on. Anybody but Cattermole with that chance in the first half FFS.

There is time left though for us to get the little bit of luck we need as we had plenty of chances today....and no I don't think Rodwell is the answer.
Anybody but who though? We don't have anyone do we? You've already said Rodwell isn't the answer and he would have probably done the same as the pace on the pass from Khazrhi was fast and Rodwell isn't exactly fast not is he the best of finishers either. If we had a decent player to slot into that position (can't think of an example) then we'd be doing much better but we don't have that luxury at the moment.
 
Baffling isn't it as to how people are blanking out the positives Cattermole had in the game today. I just mentioned this and there's no denying that once you aren't keen on a player, you tend to notice the fuck ups etc more than you do the positive things. Today Cattermole was decent enough and M'Vila was simply quieter than usual and only made 3 tackles today, whereas he normally makes more. He still contributed quite a lot of passing with a high success rate but didn't get involved in the chances as much as Cattermole but that's to be expected as Cattermole was involved in 6 chances today.

I actually put that down to Cattermole as he recovered the ball 10 times according to the stats plus today he closed down quickly and tightly. Yet how many times does Rodwell do that and recover the ball? The simple answer is Rodwell doesn't do it that often as he stands off and gives the opposition time to pass it around him with ease so then it's up to M'Vila or Kirchhoff to do something about it of they are near.


It was 11 passes he fucked up but wasn't there more than 1 that if it came off would have been a good pass? Even so he still had a decent success rate. What about the balls he played into Defoe around the box that he had 2 chances from, the ball he fizzed across to Khazrhi who had his shot blocked or the ball to Yedlin? (I missed the Yedlin pass at the time so quoting others). That's 4 decent passes isn't it and I'd dare say there will be more that as he made 40 passes overall. Maybe I'm just talking decent enough passes (not just simple bog standard) unless we are talking Gerrard'esque stuff when you mean very good.

Anyway I wasn't there today so my posts mean fuck all anyway as I can't watch it on-demand via TV and rewind and watch bits again and again focusing in on what players do not just on the ball but also off it ;)


Anybody but who though? We don't have anyone do we? You've already said Rodwell isn't the answer and he would have probably done the same as the pace on the pass from Khazrhi was fast and Rodwell isn't exactly fast not is he the best of finishers either. If we had a decent player to slot into that position (can't think of an example) then we'd be doing much better but we don't have that luxury at the moment.
Got to the bit where you said you weren't there then moved on
 
Just realised it was M'Vila who played Defoe in for the shot Foster saved with his legs. Great pass too.

True enough. It was a good ball that.

I hadn't realised it was Cattermoles defence spitting pass for Yedlin. Great pass too.
I hadn't realised its was Cattermoles pass that put Defoe through where his shot was blocked. Great pass too.
I hadn't realised it was Cattermoles pass (Ok mishit shot :)) That gave Defoe another chance.
 
Compared to some of the mediocre we have seen over the years he is step up. That said offers Allerydyce is playing Cattermole in a more advanced role which says all you need to know about Mvilla as an attacking threat
 
Happens a lot with players coming into the premier league from abroad. Very few gimmees (hi @Cridge ) and that takes a toll.

Good player though
 
Some people have short memories. the man is a very good player - bringing Kirchoff in has reduced his workload and taken the shine off him a tad, but I'd sign the man in a heartbeat so quit moaning ya fannies ! :rolleyes::lol:

I'm more inclined to agree with this rather than than the notion that he's gotten shite overnight.

Kirchoff is really taking games by the scruff of the neck. Yann is just seeing a bit less of the ball now there's actually another decent midfielder playing alongside him.

Half the time we're totally bypassing our midfield anyway by hoofing long balls to a midget ...
 
Got to the bit where you said you weren't there then moved on
Thought so and that's why I mentioned it ;) I've been to plenty of matches over the last 30 odd years and been a season ticket holder for a few of them but I rarely go now as Southampton was my last game. I've also watched a fair few of them when I get back home (more so in recent years thanks to the likes of Sky, PremierLeaguePass, NBC or dodgy full match websites). Even though I've got great eyesight and can follow play or the players quite well, can you believe that I sometimes see things I missed or got completely wrong at the match. It's impossible to watch all players over the 90 minutes but being able to do it on TV and focus on who is where (even if they change angles or disappear from view briefly) then it sometimes changes my impression of the game to when I was there watching at the SOL.
I was only jesting mate when I said I wasn't there so don't take owt serious as we are both SAFC fans at the end of the day!
Going to the match is certainly worthy of getting respect but as to it meaning that a match attending fan's opinion is always correct or holds a higher value than someone watching on TV (especially if going back and reviewing it in more detail) isn't something I'd agree with ;)
 
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