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FFS ??!!!The same Catts who completely outplayed him today, is that?
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FFS ??!!!The same Catts who completely outplayed him today, is that?
Wouldn't agree with a stinkerThere has been a lot of talk about this in recent weeks and up until today I thought it was a bit overplayed, he was really poor today though. I think early in the season he was expected to do everything defensively and going forward. I think since Kirchoff has come into the side he is just doing a simpler, more restricted job. I thought he played well at Newcastle for example. Today though he had a stinker.
He didn't - change your specs mateThe same Catts who completely outplayed him today, is that?
he was excellent today , if you can't see that , fair enough.A Cattermole apologist
Wouldn't agree with a stinker
Below his usual standard for sure
He didn't - change your specs mate
It's not unbelievable that I have a different view to you. I see a player who looks unfit, who misplaces passes and who offers very little offensively. At least Cattermole had a go today.
I didn't claim he played better than Cattermole- please clarify this ?I'm a fan of M'Vila he has dropped his standards a bit lately looking a bit leggy. I thought today was his poorerst game for us. He is clearly a notch above Cattermole for example but if you think he played better than him today I'm afraid its down to your deep ingrained view of Catts rather than what you saw with your own eyes IMO.
Excellent?he was excellent today , if you can't see that , fair enough.
The same sort of stats that folk used to roll out to argue Colback was our best midfielder.Unfit? Shall we talk about Kirchoff?
Misplaced passes?
M'Vila 78% pass completion
Cattermole 74% pass completion
Kirchoff 75% pass completion.
http://epl.squawka.com/english-barclays-premier-league/02-04-2016/sunderland-vs-wba/matches
I didn't claim he played better than Cattermole- please clarify this ?
M,Vila has been tremendous for us this season , his form has dipped no doubt
Cattermole was decent but nowt to get carried away over , one or two good very good passes & a lot of mislaid passes
Excellent?
You at the game today ?
Too many anchor men, blatantly exposed today.
By creating more chances and having more shots at goal that any other team in the division?
I take your point to be honest and think there are other things we can do such as playing Khazri central. I'm not having it though that Rodwell who doesn't score or create was somehow the missing link.
Baffling isn't it as to how people are blanking out the positives Cattermole had in the game today. I just mentioned this and there's no denying that once you aren't keen on a player, you tend to notice the fuck ups etc more than you do the positive things. Today Cattermole was decent enough and M'Vila was simply quieter than usual and only made 3 tackles today, whereas he normally makes more. He still contributed quite a lot of passing with a high success rate but didn't get involved in the chances as much as Cattermole but that's to be expected as Cattermole was involved in 6 chances today.he was excellent today , if you can't see that , fair enough.
It was 11 passes he fucked up but wasn't there more than 1 that if it came off would have been a good pass? Even so he still had a decent success rate. What about the balls he played into Defoe around the box that he had 2 chances from, the ball he fizzed across to Khazrhi who had his shot blocked or the ball to Yedlin? (I missed the Yedlin pass at the time so quoting others). That's 4 decent passes isn't it and I'd dare say there will be more that as he made 40 passes overall. Maybe I'm just talking decent enough passes (not just simple bog standard) unless we are talking Gerrard'esque stuff when you mean very good.I didn't claim he played better than Cattermole- please clarify this ?
M,Vila has been tremendous for us this season , his form has dipped no doubt
Cattermole was decent but nowt to get carried away over , one or two good very good passes & a lot of mislaid passes
Anybody but who though? We don't have anyone do we? You've already said Rodwell isn't the answer and he would have probably done the same as the pace on the pass from Khazrhi was fast and Rodwell isn't exactly fast not is he the best of finishers either. If we had a decent player to slot into that position (can't think of an example) then we'd be doing much better but we don't have that luxury at the moment.At the start of the season if you gave me that 3 in the middle I would have been more than happy. Today though we just needed more options coming through the centre when the pressure is on. Anybody but Cattermole with that chance in the first half FFS.
There is time left though for us to get the little bit of luck we need as we had plenty of chances today....and no I don't think Rodwell is the answer.
Got to the bit where you said you weren't there then moved onBaffling isn't it as to how people are blanking out the positives Cattermole had in the game today. I just mentioned this and there's no denying that once you aren't keen on a player, you tend to notice the fuck ups etc more than you do the positive things. Today Cattermole was decent enough and M'Vila was simply quieter than usual and only made 3 tackles today, whereas he normally makes more. He still contributed quite a lot of passing with a high success rate but didn't get involved in the chances as much as Cattermole but that's to be expected as Cattermole was involved in 6 chances today.
I actually put that down to Cattermole as he recovered the ball 10 times according to the stats plus today he closed down quickly and tightly. Yet how many times does Rodwell do that and recover the ball? The simple answer is Rodwell doesn't do it that often as he stands off and gives the opposition time to pass it around him with ease so then it's up to M'Vila or Kirchhoff to do something about it of they are near.
It was 11 passes he fucked up but wasn't there more than 1 that if it came off would have been a good pass? Even so he still had a decent success rate. What about the balls he played into Defoe around the box that he had 2 chances from, the ball he fizzed across to Khazrhi who had his shot blocked or the ball to Yedlin? (I missed the Yedlin pass at the time so quoting others). That's 4 decent passes isn't it and I'd dare say there will be more that as he made 40 passes overall. Maybe I'm just talking decent enough passes (not just simple bog standard) unless we are talking Gerrard'esque stuff when you mean very good.
Anyway I wasn't there today so my posts mean fuck all anyway as I can't watch it on-demand via TV and rewind and watch bits again and again focusing in on what players do not just on the ball but also off it
Anybody but who though? We don't have anyone do we? You've already said Rodwell isn't the answer and he would have probably done the same as the pace on the pass from Khazrhi was fast and Rodwell isn't exactly fast not is he the best of finishers either. If we had a decent player to slot into that position (can't think of an example) then we'd be doing much better but we don't have that luxury at the moment.
Just realised it was M'Vila who played Defoe in for the shot Foster saved with his legs. Great pass too.
Some people have short memories. the man is a very good player - bringing Kirchoff in has reduced his workload and taken the shine off him a tad, but I'd sign the man in a heartbeat so quit moaning ya fannies !![]()
Thought so and that's why I mentioned itGot to the bit where you said you weren't there then moved on