"Worse than O'Neill"


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I wasn't alone in expecting the absolute best from O'Neill. The bloke was a f***ing deity in this part of the world, and for a while, it looked like we were finally onto something good, but the rest is history. Bottom line is: we played some of the dullest, most one-dimensional football in recent memory under him. Gus's plan may not be perfect, but there's signs of life; there's some style, an identity taking shape. We're only a striker away from being a good, balanced footballing outfit. Honestly, some people on here have the memory spans of budgies.
 
to be honest, you may as well say better/worse team than bob stokoe's.
similarities will abound whoever is manager due to the fact that it is a game where men pass the ball to each other in an attempt to score goals.
MON's style (whatever it actually was) did seem to be to sit far too deep and go for the counter attacks but for that you need pace, something we were woefully short of at the time.
Gus has tried the keep it tight and pass it slowly up the field approach which leads to the boring back 4 triangles, he tried using wing backs to speed it up a little, today was the (hopefully) first sign that he is getting a better balance to the team and to how he wants them to play.
no way i want rid of him especially at this stage of the season.
 
How do you suggest we add goals to the mix when our options are Altidore, Wickham, Danny and Fletcher?

We also look nowhere near a win, as we struggle to score goals.

You have to score goals to win.
No you don't - oppo could score an o.g.
 
It beggars belief that people can't see we are getting there and starting to look like a team who can win, pass and keep the ball. Obviously we aren't scoring enough but we ARE creating chances. The failure to finish those chances isn't down to Poyet or tactics. A new striker would have been very welcome but again that isn't down to Poyet, see Short and Congerton for that.

The number of complete arses who demand we "get it forward" then criticise us for losing possession when we do is staggering. To be fair we need to be able to show a change of pace between passing and keeping the ball and at times going for the quicker more direct approach. It's simple though the opposition cannot hurt you without the ball, so I would rather we kept it than gave it away cheaply. Add some goals to the mix and we will be flying.
. Just add some goals to the mix and we'll be flying.......just like that.
 
According to the record books, this is a worst start than the one we had under O'Neil in 2012/13.

O'Neil - P6 W1 D4 L1 Pts 7
Poyet - P6 W0 D5 L1 Pts 5

But then, under O'Neil, the next 9 games went
P9 W1 D3 L5 Pts 6

If Poyet's record is as bad as O'Neil's was over the next 9 games, I wouldn't be surprised if we weren't looking for a new manager. Personally, I don't think we will be though.
 
Not sure how a comparison after six games is relevant, particularly when we the nose dived under O'Neill immediately after that. Or is that the point, that the comparison won't show O'Neill in such a positive light from here onwards.
 
We haven't managed to kick on under Poyet just yet as I and others hoped we might, but it's hopefully early days.

The OP still doesn't seem to have got over the fact O'Neill was a disaster and actually appears to want his successors to fail, which is very sad. I was openly critical of O'Neill right from the start but there was nobody who wanted him to succeed more than I did. I genuinely don't get that impression from the OP.
 
It is boring football like but I think it's more down to the players just being shite.

We have a thin squad but we some good players here now. For me it's down to selection and this stupid f***ing formation. Sort a way to get our quality players on the pitch and we'll win enough home games against the lesser sides to stay up.
 
Not sure how a comparison after six games is relevant, particularly when we the nose dived under O'Neill immediately after that. Or is that the point, that the comparison won't show O'Neill in such a positive light from here onwards.

It's a comparison based on the amount of league games we've played so far and how much this season is mirroring O'Neill's start to a season. Looking at our upcoming games, it may show O'Neill in an ever better light soon....
 
I wasn't alone in expecting the absolute best from O'Neill. The bloke was a f***ing deity in this part of the world, and for a while, it looked like we were finally onto something good, but the rest is history. Bottom line is: we played some of the dullest, most one-dimensional football in recent memory under him. Gus's plan may not be perfect, but there's signs of life; there's some style, an identity taking shape. We're only a striker away from being a good, balanced footballing outfit. Honestly, some people on here have the memory spans of budgies.
See I didn't get the MON clamour, didn't see what he'd achieved, he did canny at Leicester, I could manage Celtic, then chucked his toys out at Villa when he didn't get funds. My view and admittedly probably the minority view
 
It's a comparison based on the amount of league games we've played so far and how much this season is mirroring O'Neill's start to a season. Looking at our upcoming games, it may show O'Neill in an ever better light soon....
How? The squad is really different. It's not comparable at all. This whole thread is just trying to defend O'Neill.

I have no clue why or what you gain from it.
 
TP and Piston having complete meltdowns, f***ing class :lol:

It doesn't matter how shit a day you've had, just read a few threads in here and you'll feel alright :lol:
 
TP and Piston having complete meltdowns, f***ing class :lol:

It doesn't matter how shit a day you've had, just read a few threads in here and you'll feel alright :lol:

It's like he's building up ammo to try and paint Poyet in a worse light than O'Neill. Unfortunately for him he's shed his load far too early.

Anyway, 77 replies and counting. OP is probably wanking into his sock.
 
How? The squad is really different. It's not comparable at all. This whole thread is just trying to defend O'Neill.

I have no clue why or what you gain from it.

It's a thread comparing the opening 6 games from different managers, the trends between the two are almost uncanny.
 
How do you suggest we add goals to the mix when our options are Altidore, Wickham, Danny and Fletcher?

We also look nowhere near a win, as we struggle to score goals.

You have to score goals to win.

We had several good chances today. We were very close to adding goals to the mix. We created chances but I agree the players you names aren't performing. Is that Poyet's fault? Or was he let down by the Director of Football not signing someone who could?

Neither of us know for certain but I'm all for judging things as I see them. Today we created enough playing Poyet's way to win three games. We were unfortunate to not get a result, be that down to a lack of clinical finishing or bad luck, the lack of a result wasn't down to the tactics. We dominated a team in the top 6 from start to finish. That is a simple fact!
 
It's a comparison based on the amount of league games we've played so far and how much this season is mirroring O'Neill's start to a season. Looking at our upcoming games, it may show O'Neill in an ever better light soon....
O Neill was poo and did poo, I will never understand the Sunderland fan infatuation with him or what his reputation was that made people think he was such a good manager. Canny at Leicester, good at Celtic, where any of us could manage, decent at Villa until he chucked his toys out when his money was stopped. MON was not the answer.
 
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