Work dilemma

mikemanc

Winger
It's common in a lot of industries that you get more money by moving around.

Unless you've got a great bonus, share scheme or working pattern that keeps you there then it's worth looking externally.

In the short term, speak to HR or the hiring manager about the salary range for the other job.
Or there's a reasonable chance you can get a decent redundancy package in the near future.

If you aren't happy there and think you can get more elsewhere then go. Life's too short and you spend too long at work to be somewhere you aren't happy. And I mean all things considered, I get that you might be happy with everything apart from your salary but as others have said you're being taken for granted on this issue so nothing to say you won't on anything else that happens.
 
Need a bit advice

I’ve worked at my company for ten years nearly. I’m the longest serving engineer in the department. I have 3 fellow engineers who I work alongside. 1 is newish by about 6 months. Anyway before he started I found out how much salary was in offer. . It was advertised as 30-33k. This was potentially 5k more than me. Lad started and told me how much he was on prior to arriving suggesting he was on 33k.
Went and had it out with my gaffer who said he would get me the same etc. Low and behold didn’t get the big payrise and got the big standard 2.5%. I’ve had to train the new guy up and also had to show the other 2 over the years the same training etc.

Now I’ve found out another engineer s job has came up in another department which I quite fancy. But the job has no salary advertised.
Do I ask hr how much the salary is?
Do I ask my current boss would he mind if I went for the job?
My next move is critical for my family etc. So do I stick at this place or move on to somewhere else where I can expect salary’s of over 34/35k.
Help me to get the job, that will teach him.
 

Flip

Midfield
If you fncy the otehr job I would go and have a coffee / chat with the guy that manages that bit. DO NOT ask him about salary until you understand if you want the job or not. I'd tag it on the end along with whats the flexibility like, are there any differences between the two departments...then a brief. oh btw whats the salary banding or you could have the informal chat and ask HR what the band is but they tend to tell the manager youve been asking off the record. You need to make the recruiting manager believe that this isnt about salary but about wanting a minor change of direction and that you are enthusiastic for the change of role.
 

Tex

Striker
Help me to get the job, that will teach him.
But I thought your (self taught) masters is in finance not engineering?
Or have you been busy teaching yourself to be an engineer since the finance gig didn’t work out? - on the nights you’re not gigging of course!
 

WildTurkey

Midfield
It happens all the time

It's up to the staff member who they will take for granted to call them out.

If the work is plentiful leaving a CV or just dropping I to conversation I'm thinking of looking for somewhere for more money can help
I categorically would tell anyone who put me in that situation to fuck off there and then

Only a short term contractor would be the exception
 

5underland

Midfield
So for the last 6months the newbie has been getting paid more than you while you give him the benefit of your knowledge and experience? I would be fucking livid.
Do you have a good relationship with the people who can make the decisions to increase your wage? If you do, then have a good firm chat with them. I Also wouldn’t hesitate to look in to the new job. You’ve given them 10 years, your a known entity, if they think anything of you why wouldn’t they be pleased to see you moving forward.

PS good luck with it, hope you get what’s right.
 
It happened to me about 25 years ago when I wasn’t earning much as I was being sponsored through a part time degree.

My line manager organised a pay rise but I’d soon left for another job.

Don’t have any loyalty or scruples as companies won’t have in return.

Work to the best of your ability but ensure that you have marketable skills and keep an eye out for better offers. Unless you are slowly dying and waiting for a fat pension.
 
Ask HR what the salary bracket is and if you go for it, aim for more than you want and you’ll either get it or settle for a bit lower (but still above or equal to what you actually want)
That’s fucking rotten from your boss. If they can pay the new lad more money they can pay the longest serving employee doing the same job at least that much
Totally agree with this, plus you've shown your loyalty to the company, so the very least they should do, is to show you how much they appreciate your loyalty, as well as your experience and ability to do the job you do, by giving you a pay rise, to bring your salary in line with, or above the new starters, who you have trained up.
 
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But I thought your (self taught) masters is in finance not engineering?
Or have you been busy teaching yourself to be an engineer since the finance gig didn’t work out? - on the nights you’re not gigging of course!
Its true I've been reading self help books hopefully they will sort me out.
 

Pop

Striker
Need a bit advice

I’ve worked at my company for ten years nearly. I’m the longest serving engineer in the department. I have 3 fellow engineers who I work alongside. 1 is newish by about 6 months. Anyway before he started I found out how much salary was in offer. . It was advertised as 30-33k. This was potentially 5k more than me. Lad started and told me how much he was on prior to arriving suggesting he was on 33k.
Went and had it out with my gaffer who said he would get me the same etc. Low and behold didn’t get the big payrise and got the big standard 2.5%. I’ve had to train the new guy up and also had to show the other 2 over the years the same training etc.

Now I’ve found out another engineer s job has came up in another department which I quite fancy. But the job has no salary advertised.
Do I ask hr how much the salary is?
Do I ask my current boss would he mind if I went for the job?
My next move is critical for my family etc. So do I stick at this place or move on to somewhere else where I can expect salary’s of over 34/35k.
Look for another job at another company. Loyalty doesn’t always bring financial rewards and you can miss out on large pay bumps by staying at the same place.

Happens all over in many industries. I kept saying I wasn’t being paid market rate for years, finally looked elsewhere and got offered the first two jobs I applied for. Took great pleasure in telling them I was leaving and what the new salary/package was.
 
1. Do ask hr how much the salary is?

2. Do I ask my current boss would he mind if I went for the job?

3. Do I stick at this place or move on to somewhere else where I can expect salary’s of over 34/35k.
  1. Yes
  2. No. Fuck him.
  3. Apply for other jobs. If you can get s good job with a decent employer elsewhere, then your current employer can go fuck themselves the cheap pricks
 

Kevsgreat

Striker
If the going rate for them getting someone else in is £5k more than they pay you they're going to have to pay it anyway if you leave - and they lose that experience.
 

yorkyexile

Striker
  1. Yes
  2. No. Fuck him.
  3. Apply for other jobs. If you can get s good job with a decent employer elsewhere, then your current employer can go fuck themselves the cheap pricks
Nice to be able to in theory however a lot of in house transfers and job shifts require line managers say so
 

dangermows

Striker
You agreed a salary for yourself, based on what you want/feel is justified. It shouldn't matter about anyone else.

Imagine training some new bod who is instantly making more money for less work and less experience
Happens everywhere. If someone is new they'll need to be shown the ropes a bit. That's no reflection on the person's ability, just that the trainer has been in the job longer.
 
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