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Wilson Isidor - compendium thread


Medulla said:
Can't be into Gazprombank as they are sanctioned. But sending the money to Zenit, owned by Gazprom, with most of Gazprom's management personnel on the sanctions list, is a loophole. Apparently.

Easy this man.
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Who are you referring to?

And what do you mean when you say “Gazprombank are sanctioned”.
 
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Mboma said:
The t shirt you'll have on now will be from some sweatshop in Bangladesh man. You could pretty much take fault with everything around you these days. The world is built on the powerful standing on the weak...that's just life.

You'd be cold, hungry, homeless and probably dead in a very shirt time, if you decide to take a stand against everything that's wrong in the world today.

Anyway, this is about a French striker, who looks like he'll score goals for us, and if that's the case, then Ignorance is bliss.
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I guess the major differences are Bangladesh are not actively engaging in a war of choice against sovereign neighbours. They don't currently have soldiers in Ukraine stealing children, raping women, murdering civilians and looting possessions. They have not caused ecological dead zones in a sovereign state my destroying dams. Bangladesh are not daily bombing childrens cancer wards and then double tapping the responding emergency services. Bangladesh are not beheading and torturing pow on social media.

Also, when I buy a t-shirt that is not directly going to to a state owed corporate entity who will use the profit to do all of the above again.

People can support the club and the player if he signs but be against the idea of the club doing business with essentially the russian state given the current ongoing circumstances.

The world is not perfect and the UK doesn't have a squeaky clean history but that doesn't mean people have to throw away their morals of today because of it.
 
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Flavonoids said:
Ah right, so not being comfortable is now fuming, and I should already be fuming because past things Russia. Cheers, I'll ear that in mind when trying to decide how I should view individual situations.
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I want him to sign, my point is that you can't say yuo are uncomfortable with this one signing, which is weakening the russian league, and be complicit about KLD's past actions with not only the Russians but other regimes
 
Mowgli said:
Seems a bit over the top to me this view like.
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MurtonMark said:
Which is entirely above board.

Gazprom are not on the UK assort freeze list. Neither are Gazproms legal or controlling owners.

Nothing about this deal is subject to UK sanctions, they’ll just need to arrange the banking chain correctly to make sure no listed intermediary banks are involved - which would be straightforward with any half decent advice/planning.

This would all also be being done in consultation with OFSI.

Unless we’re also buying and importing half a dozen barrels of Russian crude oil in the deal, there is no issue.
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You can't say things like that mate. Don't you realise that means all those folk who spent last night washing their cagoules and dusting off the placards ready for the Burnley match are going to be devastated.
 
LukeoZade03 said:
I want him to sign, my point is that you can't say yuo are uncomfortable with this one signing, which is weakening the russian league, and be complicit about KLD's past actions with not only the Russians but other regimes
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What am I complicit in? I can be uncomfortable if the club are circumventing sanctions to sign a player. I can say it, and you can choose to think it's bollocks, no need to try to conflate it with non-specific complicity.
 
All those people who now want to unilaterally declare Gazprom as the devil incarnate - no doubt with a vast knowledge of the subject - needed to have been on this train years ago.

Europe still imports gas from Gazprom to heat its houses. That gas is paid for from EU banks. Gazprom International UK - a UK listed subsidiary company - continues to drill oil and gas in UK waters, and sends it the Netherlands to be processed by Dutch company, Gazprom International Projects BV. Those companies pay tens of millions in UK and Dutch tax every year, and employ a lot of UK/EU citizens.

Like I’ve said - there’s a lot of ignorance on show on this thread, with regard to the sanctions, what they are and how they are targeted. Certain people have massively jumped the gun to declare how virtuous they are, in the face of a complete non-issue. Gazprom is NOT a sanctioned/listed company, and for good reason.
 
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Flavonoids said:
What am I complicit in? I can be uncomfortable if the club are circumventing sanctions to sign a player. I can say it, and you can choose to think it's bollocks, no need to try to conflate it with non-specific complicity.
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Well you are saying you are uncomfortable with us dealing with Russian clubs but our owner being involved with it and some of his money coming from that sort of thing is fine? Complicit maybe the wrong word, hypocritical suits more
 
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