Why the hate campaign against EVs?



Hair Flick said:
Is anyone doing the run down to Plymouth at the weekend? It would be good to read about the planning vs reality from a real world experience.
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I am but will be staying over - I’m so glad that I have my oil burner for the journey - no range anxiety at all or having to make God knows how many stops to charge up which would have been necessary in my former EV
 
lurker said:
Was I wrong?
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Yes, you lied.

They do require servicing, although it should cost less, as theres less involved.

Good luck with the warranty if you ignore the service intervals on any EV.

Just remember, people rely on this thread for information on EVs, possibly to make a decision on buying one or not. Try and tell the truth about them in that respect so people can make an informed decision.

Volvo you drive isn't it?

 
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yamar1 said:
So you lose ten grand to save a few hundred? You said they didn't need servicing...
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In the sense of regular scheduled maintenance, they don't.
My Leaf needs the cabin air filter changing once per year, and the power steering fluid changing every other year.
Aside from that, the only thing Nissan do in an annual service is an inspection - which is Stealer-Speak for "Finding things to over-charge you to fix"

My service next year will be literally £20 for me to swap the pollen filter out. That's it.
The year after that, maybe £40?

Of course, consumable parts still exist - but are replaced as-required, not on a schedule. So brake pads, discs, tyres, wipers, washer fluid. But the tradition big ICE items just don't exist - air filer, oil filer, oil, fuel filter, spark plugs, gearbox oil etc
yamar1 said:
Thats all part of a service. You could be driving round in a ticking time bomb without a tech spotting potential damage during a service.
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Had this argument before. Servicing at a typical garage simply replaces the parts as required by the customer (or the service book).
Safety checking is the domain of the MOT, and of course EVs still require those as standard.

If you go to a main dealer, they'll inspect the entire car - not for YOUR benefit though, but to find the slightly issue that they can try to rip your eyes out to fix. I see perfectly good brake discs being called out by Nissan all the time and quotes of over £400. Its their entire business model - to rip people off who don't know better.
yamar1 said:
Good luck with the warranty if you ignore the service intervals on any EV.
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From the group I joined for the Leaf, this it the ONLY reaason they take their cars to the dealer for servicing - because only Nissan can "inspect" the battery which is a requirement of the battery warrantly.
Its a scam, basically £150/250 per year just for them to pretend they "checked" your battery
 
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PTR said:
In the sense of regular scheduled maintenance, they don't.
My Leaf needs the cabin air filter changing once per year, and the power steering fluid changing every other year.
Aside from that, the only thing Nissan do in an annual service is an inspection - which is Stealer-Speak for "Finding things to over-charge you to fix"

My service next year will be literally £20 for me to swap the pollen filter out. That's it.
The year after that, maybe £40?

Of course, consumable parts still exist - but are replaced as-required, not on a schedule. So brake pads, discs, tyres, wipers, washer fluid. But the tradition big ICE items just don't exist - air filer, oil filer, oil, fuel filter, spark plugs, gearbox oil etc

Had this argument before. Servicing at a typical garage simply replaces the parts as required by the customer (or the service book).
Safety checking is the domain of the MOT, and of course EVs still require those as standard.

If you go to a main dealer, they'll inspect the entire car - not for YOUR benefit though, but to find the slightly issue that they can try to rip your eyes out to fix. I see perfectly good brake discs being called out by Nissan all the time and quotes of over £400. Its their entire business model - to rip people off who don't know better.
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Brake fluid is changed also.

As ive said the main part of the service on an EV is the inspection, and again good luck claiming for a warranty issue if the service has been ignored. Do you think people should just drive them till the brake pads go to the metal, or have them checked to avoid the issue of being stuck 300 miles away with no brakes.
PTR said:
In the sense of regular scheduled maintenance, they don't.
My Leaf needs the cabin air filter changing once per year, and the power steering fluid changing every other year.
Aside from that, the only thing Nissan do in an annual service is an inspection - which is Stealer-Speak for "Finding things to over-charge you to fix"

My service next year will be literally £20 for me to swap the pollen filter out. That's it.
The year after that, maybe £40?

Of course, consumable parts still exist - but are replaced as-required, not on a schedule. So brake pads, discs, tyres, wipers, washer fluid. But the tradition big ICE items just don't exist - air filer, oil filer, oil, fuel filter, spark plugs, gearbox oil etc

Had this argument before. Servicing at a typical garage simply replaces the parts as required by the customer (or the service book).
Safety checking is the domain of the MOT, and of course EVs still require those as standard.

If you go to a main dealer, they'll inspect the entire car - not for YOUR benefit though, but to find the slightly issue that they can try to rip your eyes out to fix. I see perfectly good brake discs being called out by Nissan all the time and quotes of over £400. Its their entire business model - to rip people off who don't know better.

From the group I joined for the Leaf, this it the ONLY reaason they take their cars to the dealer for servicing - because only Nissan can "inspect" the battery which is a requirement of the battery warrantly.
Its a scam, basically £150/250 per year just for them to pretend they "checked" your battery
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You honestly think Nissan would pretend to check the battery?

I've head it all now.
 
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lurker said:
As @PTR has correctly saved me the bother of pointing out, there’s not a lot of servicing needed with EVs.


Brandolini's law - Wikipedia

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I feel like the EV owners are having to do a lot of hard work to debunk all the bullshit on this thread.

Brandolinis law in action.
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But you even confirm above that they do need servicing.

Doesn't matter how much, or what. They do need servicing.
 
lurker said:
As @PTR has correctly saved me the bother of pointing out, there’s not a lot of servicing needed with EVs.


Brandolini's law - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

I feel like the EV owners are having to do a lot of hard work to debunk all the bullshit on this thread.

Brandolinis law in action.
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Theres not a lot of servicing needed now, you say...

It was they don't need servicing this morning. Make your mind up man.🤦😅

Nice to see you have been educated anyway, best get it booked in, if you want to keep the warranty up.
 
yamar1 said:
Theres not a lot of servicing needed now, you say...

It was they don't need servicing this morning. Make your mind up man.🤦😅

Nice to see you have been educated anyway, best get it booked in, if you want to keep the warranty up.
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My servicing is free so I just take it in whenever it needs it.

Funnily enough they had to replace the 12v battery last winter.
 
yamar1 said:
You honestly think Nissan would pretend to check the battery?
I've head it all now.
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What they going to do about it? If they see one cell isn't great, they're going to - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
They are going to wait until the owner calls to report that the battery bars on the dash are below the warranty threshold.

What are they actually checking on the battery? I strongly suspect its nothing whatsoever. Maybe they note down the number of bars on the dash. I highly doubt they are plugging in and checking the raw data.
 

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