Why James McClean will never wear a poppy – and nobody else should be made to, either - The Independant


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The red poppy is meant as a mark of respect and remembrance to the fallen on all sides. What does a rainbow poppy actually mean? What's the point of it? If it's singling out a portion of the fallen because of their sexuality then it's disrespectful as it's not inclusive. If it's somehow saying look at me, I'm gay but I honour the fallen then it's making it about the person wearing it and so, it's disrepecful. So, what's it for?
That is a really good reply.
 
They're connected, though, in the sense that the Irish lad thinks he's a political crusader when I'm guessing you and I don't see ourselves as that.

So, were I in Germany, and they were having some sort of service to remember fallen German soldiers, I would stand to attention and respect that; given that I'm in their country and they're paying my wages. If I felt I couldn't respect a German remembrance service then I simply wouldn't go to live there. It would be sheer stupidity.
My perspective would be that if their society demanded of me that I pay respect to their fallen soldiers with specific regard to that war (I maybe would, aye, I'm not that fucked about symbolism personally) but if that was being demanded like you are, it would be Germany that still needed to sort their ideals out, not me.
 
What a shit article that is.

It’s someone’s opinion I guess but I can’t fathom why the reason for wearing a poppy has changed over the past decade. It doesn’t help when hate fuelled newspapers fuel the flames either, simply for click bait.

It's the same reason as always mate. Some people care and some feel obliged to wear one.

I'm going to the Remembrance Parade on Sunday and both my son and me have been part of the march in the past, but think the best idea is for the poppies to be to remember those that have fallen on all sides.

I'm sure the normal young German men killed were just as brave as ours, as were all others fighting for something that they believed in whether we agree with them or not. Maybe if we did use it to remember all sides, tossers like McClean would have no reason to spout his shite.
 
The red poppy is meant as a mark of respect and remembrance to the fallen on all sides. What does a rainbow poppy actually mean? What's the point of it? If it's singling out a portion of the fallen because of their sexuality then it's disrespectful as it's not inclusive. If it's somehow saying look at me, I'm gay but I honour the fallen then it's making it about the person wearing it and so, it's disrepecful. So, what's it for?
Option 3:

Alan Turing, the enigma code-breaker and ostensibly creator of the entire concept of computing, was still chemically castrated because of his sexuality.

The apology only came in 2009, 55 years after he killed himself.

For 60 years the efforts of LGBTWTFanyone wants to call themselves have been horrendously downplayed. Someone wore a rainbow poppy and now we're honouring Turing, a British hero.

So the rainbow poppy was worth it.
 
As an addition like I should add, I know people go on about not wearing a poppy being offensive. The same f***ing people are questioning why people are wearing a poppy.

Now that, that, is f***ing offensive. (I'm not personally offended, I'm basically autistic, I just mean this objectively).
 
It's the same reason as always mate. Some people care and some feel obliged to wear one.

I'm going to the Remembrance Parade on Sunday and both my son and me have been part of the march in the past, but think the best idea is for the poppies to be to remember those that have fallen on all sides.

I'm sure the normal young German men killed were just as brave as ours, as were all others fighting for something that they believed in whether we agree with them or not. Maybe if we did use it to remember all sides, tossers like McClean would have no reason to spout his shite.
It’s a good point re: remembering all victims of conflict.

We visited tyne cot in May to see where one of my great grandads has his details inscribed. The sheer scale of the futility hits home when you can see the fields that the allies and Germans fought over.

There are a small number of German soldiers laid to rest there and it’s very humbling to see how meticulously their graves are maintained, and as far as I’m aware the respect is reciprocated.
 
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Option 3:

Alan Turing, the enigma code-breaker and ostensibly creator of the entire concept of computing, was still chemically castrated because of his sexuality.

The apology only came in 2009, 55 years after he killed himself.

For 60 years the efforts of LGBTWTFanyone wants to call themselves have been horrendously downplayed. Someone wore a rainbow poppy and now we're honouring Turing, a British hero.

So the rainbow poppy was worth it.
The red poppy should represent everyone. A different one isn't necessarily at that time of year
 
Every bloody year I post something similar to this ffs.

Nobody should feel like they have to wear one. Personal choice. End of story. In James McCleans case, fine James don’t wear one. No worries. Don’t however make some horseshit up about how it’s a political symbol you simply can’t wear on the strip of your English football team. Then, the following Easter post pictures of yourself sporting your Irish Republican Easter lily on your English team tracksuit. Or make a point of turning your back on the British national anthem when it’s played prior to a game you’re playing for your English club. All the while demanding people respect your rights and show courtesy. You dick.
he really is a man of principal, seems happy enough picking up his hefty wage packet in England.
 
The red poppy should represent everyone. A different one isn't necessarily at that time of year
Ignoramus! There were white, rainbow, green and pink poppies on the fields of Flanders.
That's what they fought for. To give us the right to choose and not to be dictated to.(and to stop that German pratt from ruling Europe)
Most were conscripted.
 
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It’s a good point re: remembering all victims of conflict.

We visited tyne cot in May to see where one of my great grandads has his details inscribed. The sheer scale of the futility hits home when you can see the fields that the allies and Germans fought over.

There are a small number of German soldiers laid to rest there and it’s very humbling to see how meticulously their graves are maintained, and as far as I’m aware the respect is reciprocated.
I'm sure they are well cared for on all sides mate. I just think it's time to officially recognise an inclusive meaning. They all bled the same colour.
 
The red poppy should represent everyone. A different one isn't necessarily at that time of year
Agree that it should. Unfortunately times change beyond our control. In all honesty I wouldn't have thought of Turing today if someone hadn't mentioned the rainbow, and if that's happened it's helped remembrance. So I can't complain in good faith.
 
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Phase Spiders and zombies too. SFII clearly on the wrong side here.
Blood in veins is blue, it’s only red when it’s oxidated.

Edit: scrub that I am wrong again.

 
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