Why do you want to sack Tony and not Speakman?


Because it's not rocket science. Mowbray is a below average lower league manager. He's had 2 promotions in, what, 20 years. He does this with every team, does well initially and then falters and finally getting sacked or contract not renewed.

Also, isn't it his job to develop and improve players, motivate them, put a system into place to put them in the best possible position to succeed? That is his primary role surely. Can you honestly say he has done any of that?

Last year he got lucky with Amad and the link up between him, Roberts and Clarke which covered up a lot of his failings. The worst thing that happened was getting to the playoffs. If we hadn't he'd have gone in the summer with a thanks for steadying the ship.

A below average lower league manger who has almost exclusively worked at this level? (A couple of exceptions below and above).

You're talking as if these are guaranteed talents and certs to develop. They're mostly bits of kids, many of whom haven't really been exposed to first team football. His role is to give them first team exposure and some will develop and some won't- ultimately that's what he's doing. We arent now plucking good under 21s from PL sides and as such they need more time to adjust. We also arent buying young lads who are tearing up their respective leagues and to make matters worse we've done it en masse without maybe the experience and support of the right seasoned players around them.

Whilst there are certainly areas you can question Mowbray and his management, only foolish people will look at this squad, the experience of it, where players have come from and what they've cost and realistically think this is anything but a work in progress squad that will probably be lucky to finish top ten, with or without Mowbray.

As you say the worst thing that has happened is the play offs. Because just like last January when it was wide open for us, whilst expectations have grown with fans, the people at the club have trimmed the squad and added more and more possibles rather than probables to it and many fans have lapped it up thinking we've actually strengthened and we really haven't.
 
No mate, he's had one proper transfer window. January is crazy and after losing Simms, clubs knew we were desperate.

It strikes me that we missed out on key targets in the Summer. It happens unfortunately.
No we had January and the Summer.
And in the Sumner he had a year to seek out and buy a striker.
The reason is simple . He has no intention of buying a player at their peak whose value may decline .
He can't see that if that player scores 20 goals and gets us promoted it doesn't matter that his value will have depreciated
 
Mowbray has probably overachieved. He looked like a safe pair of hands to steer us through a difficult first season back in the Championship after Alex Neil’s departure but he achieved far more than that.

We were the first club to make the playoffs having been promoted via the playoffs in the league below for yonks and did it playing really attractive, entertaining football.

Rather than build on that success Mowbray has been asked by the owners to attempt to replicate last season’s achievement without many of the key parts of that set up.

I think he’ll see this season out and there’ll be a mutually agreed parting of the ways in the summer
 
No we had January and the Summer.
And in the Sumner he had a year to seek out and buy a striker.
The reason is simple . He has no intention of buying a player at their peak whose value may decline .
He can't see that if that player scores 20 goals and gets us promoted it doesn't matter that his value will have depreciated
Personally I like the way we're going about things. Who exactly have we missed out on who would guarantee us 20 goals?
 
A below average lower league manger who has almost exclusively worked at this level? (A couple of exceptions below and above).

You're talking as if these are guaranteed talents and certs to develop. They're mostly bits of kids, many of whom haven't really been exposed to first team football. His role is to give them first team exposure and some will develop and some won't- ultimately that's what he's doing. We arent now plucking good under 21s from PL sides and as such they need more time to adjust. We also arent buying young lads who are tearing up their respective leagues and to make matters worse we've done it en masse without maybe the experience and support of the right seasoned players around them.

Whilst there are certainly areas you can question Mowbray and his management, only foolish people will look at this squad, the experience of it, where players have come from and what they've cost and realistically think this is anything but a work in progress squad that will probably be lucky to finish top ten, with or without Mowbray.

As you say the worst thing that has happened is the play offs. Because just like last January when it was wide open for us, whilst expectations have grown with fans, the people at the club have trimmed the squad and added more and more possibles rather than probables to it and many fans have lapped it up thinking we've actually strengthened and we really haven't.
Come on mate we drew today, this is no place for sensible comments. Sharpen that pitchfork
 
Personally do not think we have the players to go one better. Ba isn’t good enough for me, Burstow is lacking, Ekwah can be poor, Aouchiche I don’t think is the answer and isn’t any better than the likes of Pritchard, Jobe has looked decent but inconsistent and has had a few difficult games, Mayenda is too raw and Rusyn again I don’t think is good enough.

Amad literally dragged us into those play offs. Recruitment has been a bit lacking. None improved the squad imo.
Spot on.

Last season we, as a freshly promoted team, had a better squad than we do this year.

We should be aiming for promotion this year and yet we've got worse in every position bar goalkeeper
 
No mate, he's had one proper transfer window. January is crazy and after losing Simms, clubs knew we were desperate.

It strikes me that we missed out on key targets in the Summer. It happens unfortunately.
Since we signed Stewart and before this summer window, apart from bringing back Defoe which was a clusterfuck for all concerned, we had not signed one striker on a permanent deal that was close to being ready for first team football. We had Broadhead on loan, Simms on loan and then Geldhardt on loan. So to say we haven't had time or planning to do better than the 4 striker signings we have made this summer is simply crackers.
 
Why not bring Prichard and at least give bestow some minutes with him supporting him bringing prichn on then taking burstow off is giving the lad no chance
 
Since we signed Stewart and before this summer window, apart from bringing back Defoe which was a clusterfuck for all concerned, we had not signed one striker on a permanent deal that was close to being ready for first team football. We had Broadhead on loan, Simms on loan and then Geldhardt on loan. So to say we haven't had time or planning to do better than the 4 striker signings we have made this summer is simply crackers.
Oh you just want Will Grigg or Danny Graham.

Don't you know we nearly went bust.

Etc etc etc, yawn
 
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Personally I like the way we're going about things. Who exactly have we missed out on who would guarantee us 20 goals?

We are not giving the manager a chance because we are not giving him the tools he needs for the job.
The point I am making is profit has far too much bearing on our transfer policy.
When Dortmund bought Kane they didn't buy him to sell on for a profit.
 
Oh you just want Will Grigg or Danny Graham.

Don't you we nearly went bust.

Etc etc etc, yawn
The strikers situations has 2 big issues. The tactics are appalling for strikers, its contests the entire middle of the field and makes passing opportunities very limited.

The other is the recruitment of a ready made striker which has definitely been below par and unacceptable. Coventry spent a fortune on 2 and they're absolute shite, there isn't any really banging them in throughout the championship who didn't cost a fair bit.

We need to be creative and find a Piroe.
 
Oh you just want Will Grigg or Danny Graham.

Don't you we nearly went bust.

Etc etc etc, yawn
You'd think that if they knew Stewart was never going to sign a new contract or even if he did he was not going to be ready for a chunk of this season that a bit more planning might have been put in place than 4 strikers who between them so far are nowhere near ready.
 
Because it's not rocket science. Mowbray is a below average lower league manager. He's had 2 promotions in, what, 20 years. He does this with every team, does well initially and then falters and finally getting sacked or contract not renewed.

Also, isn't it his job to develop and improve players, motivate them, put a system into place to put them in the best possible position to succeed? That is his primary role surely. Can you honestly say he has done any of that?

Last year he got lucky with Amad and the link up between him, Roberts and Clarke which covered up a lot of his failings. The worst thing that happened was getting to the playoffs. If we hadn't he'd have gone in the summer with a thanks for steadying the ship.
2 promotions in 20 year you say. Does that sound like an ambitious appointment from a billionaire owner who is desperate to get back into the premier league?
 

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