Why do you want to sack Tony and not Speakman?


Chatting like this makes it seem we are diametrically opposed. We aren't - I'm not happy with our striker recruitment or our lack of recruitment of a defensive midfielder but we all know our tactic is give it to Clarke and hope, play it slowly out from the back and across our back line allowing poor opposition to operate a high press.press. I could say, it doesn't matter how good your strikers are, uot still ned a range of tactics. We don't display a range of tactics. You can almost predict when we will concede and what Mowbray's reaction will be.

Spot on post mate. Have a like.
 
Chatting like this makes it seem we are diametrically opposed. We aren't - I'm not happy with our striker recruitment or our lack of recruitment of a defensive midfielder but we all know our tactic is give it to Clarke and hope, play it slowly out from the back and across our back line allowing poor opposition to operate a high press.press. I could say, it doesn't matter how good your strikers are, uot still ned a range of tactics. We don't display a range of tactics. You can almost predict when we will concede and what Mowbray's reaction will be.
We passed to Burstow a few times yesterday and he was too easily brushed off the ball and when he did manage to find space the ball just pinged off him tbf. The first 30 minutes was the fastest we had got the ball forward in ages. Dack came on and nearly scored from his first touch, making a run to the near post to get on to a ball Clarke played across, how many of our strikers have you witnessed making any kind of runs in the box like that?
 
When the league is much of a muchness like you say, generally the teams with the best forwards (score most goals) do well.
Just look at Ipswich, conceded more than us but are top scorers in the league.

I'd say Ipswich are all out attack, you don't see them pissing about to get their possession stats up, I bet their coach rarely even takes any notice of it.
 
We passed to Burstow a few times yesterday and he was too easily brushed off the ball and when he did manage to find space the ball just pinged off him tbf. The first 30 minutes was the fastest we had got the ball forward in ages. Dack came on and nearly scored from his first touch, making a run to the near post to get on to a ball Clarke played across, how many of our strikers have you witnessed making any kind of runs in the box like that?
People keep banging on about lack of service (Kane, Haaland wouldn't score in this team etc, etc) it's absolutely nonsense.
Dack, Ekwah, Jobe, Neil, etc...have all scored goals, even O'nien from centre back has gotten on the end of things in the box and notched a couple, yet our so called strikers are incapable and it's all down to the service.
Sorry but I'm not having that.
 
Chatting like this makes it seem we are diametrically opposed. We aren't - I'm not happy with our striker recruitment or our lack of recruitment of a defensive midfielder but we all know our tactic is give it to Clarke and hope, play it slowly out from the back and across our back line allowing poor opposition to operate a high press.press. I could say, it doesn't matter how good your strikers are, uot still ned a range of tactics. We don't display a range of tactics. You can almost predict when we will concede and what Mowbray's reaction will be.
What is good though we might have different thoughts and ideas but we can have a discussion about what we think is wrong with the team without resorting to throwing toys out of the pram like some other posters on here. Somebody the other day told me not to reply to their posts because they do not like me, how bloody childish is that :lol:
 
We don't look like doing currently? Whilst goals conceded in 19 games so far doesn't look bad at 22, in the last 10 games it's 15 conceded and that's bad. I'd say because we lack some of the experience we had last season and the quality up top and are likely playing a full season with Onien back there it's likely going to continue and as well as struggling to score as freely we are giving too many easy opportunities away.

Mayenda and Rusyn look like an improvement on what we started the season with? - I'd say they look pretty much like more of the same. It's very early for Rusyn but he doesn't look like a central player who can lead the line. With regards Mayenda he's not done anything, he's an 18 year old with a good amount of pace and power but he's not shown any sort of quality or composure on the ball yet and yesterday he couldn't even control it. What on earth are you basing your assement on?

15 in 10 includes Boro though - a big part of which was a tactical error by Mowbray. We haven't really looked like shipping goals 11v11 at the same rate we did last season, and that's with us missing a number of defenders.

I'm basing my assessment on what I've seen. Rusyn has started a couple of games and has managed get himself in positions to score more times than Burstow in 9/10 starts. I would expect that he would finish some of those chances once he has a bit more game time under his belt, that's not a wild assumption to make. In terms of Mayenda, although he is raw, he looks more of a handful physically than the other two, and has pace. Providing he can make intelligent runs, he'll get chances, especially if we do start going a bit more direct from time to time. He nearly had a goal against Birmingham, had he been able to sort out his feet he'd have had a golden chance against Plymouth. They both look like they carry more of a threat to me.

I think many of those have more experience and players who have played at this level. Look at Millwall for instance - they had a couple of goalscorers in Nisbet (only scored about 4 this season like) and Bradshaw off the bench. Are they more talented than some of ours? Well maybe not. Are they more experienced and ready to play at this level - yes and you can add other seasoned players into that mix as well.

Preston for instance signed Will Keane in the close season who now appears to be injured. He scored 12 league goals last season at Wigan and has scored 4 in 5 for Preston when fit this season. Do I rate him or want him here - no. Can he play and score goals in the Championship- absolutely.

Norwich might be under performing but they've probably got as much quality as us and plenty of seasoned pros too - bit of a cliche, but the Championship is really much of a muchness and there's not a massive amount of difference between many of the sides in it.

for me that is the crux problem. We are basing much of the assessments on our squads strength on moments of quality we've seen, talent we believe they may have or what we've heard about them and largely not on consistency and what we've actually seen them produce. What we are actually seeing is a lot of naive football and kids who aren't that consistent or maybe in some cases nit good enough.

We do have lot of young players, but a lot of players who've played 100+ league games, have multiple playoff campaigns under the belts and/or have international experience. I don't really see lots of naivety as opposed to singlemindedness in terms of how we play, and that comes from the manager and coaching staff more than anyone else.

My assessment is based off where we've been all season and what I've seen of other teams. Like most teams between 5th-9th, we're streaky and inconsistent. But we've been around the playoff picture since September, I just don't see why it would change.
 
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Yes, clearly a lack of width is an issue so let’s play wing backs 🤦🏻‍♂️
Lots of people are saying we aren’t wide enough with Clarke and Roberts cutting in. Wingbacks would help counter that. It would also only be used where it was needed and beneficial, as a plan B.

It’s a suggestion to show there are many options which we don’t utilise during a game.
 
Lots of people are saying we aren’t wide enough with Clarke and Roberts cutting in. Wingbacks would help counter that. It would also only be used where it was needed and beneficial, as a plan B.

It’s a suggestion to show there are many options which we don’t utilise during a game.
You could play wing backs with Cirkin. Struggling otherwise I’d say
 
I agree. But atm you’ve got a right footer at Left Back. Can’t do it.
Yes see what you mean. I suppose it would be Huggins left and Hume right if you had to do it now.

It’s a point I’ve made last season too so was taking this as when we have all our players fit. Having a plan with wing backs which we can utilise in games would be a good idea imo
 
When the league is much of a muchness like you say, generally the teams with the best forwards (score most goals) do well.
Just look at Ipswich, conceded more than us but are top scorers in the league.

I get that. I just think being naive in the way we play and being so open we're really susceptible to struggle and counters against sides who sit tight and wait for their moments as we are very naive in play.

We could go either way really - a Diallo or a Ross Stewart could change our fortunes. Or being more pragmatic with Batth / Evans type players may also mean we're less susceptible to that naive play.

I look at some of the goals we're conceding and its so easy to rectify some of it - a half decent centre half would cure some of it straight away and that's probably easier to do than getting the quality up front or getting some of our forwards firing.
I'd say Ipswich are all out attack, you don't see them pissing about to get their possession stats up, I bet their coach rarely even takes any notice of it.
They're organised and pragmatic further back, but absolutely go for it on the counter or in possession from what I've seen. At the moment we're none of that.
 
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What a utter load of Cockgobble! "found out and no plan b" ffs..Next he will be asking interpol to find the dressing room or get lee child to sort him out a plot!why do nunbskulls come on here with these tired old tropes?We have not got a championship quality striker and we dont have a player like amad to knit together our forward line to compensate!.......non of that is TM fault and untill the powers at be sort that out we will win more than we lose and might just be good enough for the playoffs but no more!
just out of interest how exactly has TM been found out and what do you mean by thar statement.
what is your plan be ? cos TM has tried abcdef
Cos Mowbray is a shit Manager, I've nee idea about Speakman
what a load of bollocks..........TM team have produced some of the most entertaining football i have ever seen in a sunderland shirt for 50 years and i doubt anyone could do better with these same players.........when will people realise we have no championship level strikers and thats down to speakman and the owners not TM,,,,You can play plan a b c or fekking bingo if you want and were not going to score enough goals without a decent striker or a player like amad to knit the forward line together.....
 
What a utter load of Cockgobble! "found out and no plan b" ffs..Next he will be asking interpol to find the dressing room or get lee child to sort him out a plot!why do nunbskulls come on here with these tired old tropes?We have not got a championship quality striker and we dont have a player like amad to knit together our forward line to compensate!.......non of that is TM fault and untill the powers at be sort that out we will win more than we lose and might just be good enough for the playoffs but no more!
just out of interest how exactly has TM been found out and what do you mean by thar statement.
what is your plan be ? cos TM has tried abcdef

what a load of bollocks..........TM team have produced some of the most entertaining football i have ever seen in a sunderland shirt for 50 years and i doubt anyone could do better with these same players.........when will people realise we have no championship level strikers and thats down to speakman and the owners not TM,,,,You can play plan a b c or fekking bingo if you want and were not going to score enough goals without a decent striker or a player like amad to knit the forward line together.....
He had to come up with Plan G by the time of the play offs last year
 
Went from Stewart and Simms when he arrived to no CBs, 9s, LBs by the end. Have to have some adaptability to do that and finish 6th
And some complained that he didn't play Anderson , the same lad who was first out the door on loan to Shrewsbury in the summer and now is struggling with league 1 football never mind a championship play off game against what was the most physical side in last years championship.
 
And some complained that he didn't play Anderson , the same lad who was first out the door on loan to Shrewsbury in the summer and now is struggling with league 1 football never mind a championship play off game against what was the most physical side in last years championship.
Everyone becomes mint when they’re sat on the bench not playing
 
15 in 10 includes Boro though - a big part of which was a tactical error by Mowbray. We haven't really looked like shipping goals 11v11 at the same rate we did last season, and that's with us missing a number of defenders.

I'm basing my assessment on what I've seen. Rusyn has started a couple of games and has managed get himself in positions to score more times than Burstow in 9/10 starts. I would expect that he would finish some of those chances once he has a bit more game time under his belt, that's not a wild assumption to make. In terms of Mayenda, although he is raw, he looks more of a handful physically than the other two, and has pace. Providing he can make intelligent runs, he'll get chances, especially if we do start going a bit more direct from time to time. He nearly had a goal against Birmingham, had he been able to sort out his feet he'd have had a golden chance against Plymouth. They both look like they carry more of a threat to me.



We do have lot of young players, but a lot of players who've played 100+ league games, have multiple playoff campaigns under the belts and/or have international experience. I don't really see lots of naivety as opposed to singlemindedness in terms of how we play, and that comes from the manager and coaching staff more than anyone else.

My assessment is based off where we've been all season and what I've seen of other teams. Like most teams between 5th-9th, we're streaky and inconsistent. But we've been around the playoff picture since September, I just don't see why it would change.

Tactical error? Neill sent off at HT when at 0-0. Does that score not count? Boro take advantage against ten men, yet we don't against Swansea. What about us scoring 3 against Sheff Wed after the comments from their chairman? Timing for us was fantastic, you can't discount it because of some cock and bull nonsense- it actually happened.

You're basing it on assumptions and absolutely nothing yet seen in a SAFC shirt. Rusyn looks as if he might get on the end of things - true, but he hasn't really been that much involved when hes been on the pitch. Mayenda has pace and power but he's shown nothing to suggest he's got ability on the ball or will take chances, barely had a shot worth speaking about and yesterday his general control on the ball was poor. So making claims about either is absolutely pointless.

You don't see naivety? I see it in every single game - hell, IIRC even Mowbray has mentioned it. We huff and puff, get snuffed out, lose the ball centrally in poor positions too often and too easily and sides break on us without barely having to string proper cohesive moves together and generally we've overcommited when doing so.
 

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