Why broken record Sam Allardyce is fooling no one... least of all West Ham fans


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we were calling for good football during the promotion season within a few months of him taking over. there was no time to forget anything

but you are right results wise and performance in league table wise I'll always be grateful to Sam for what he did

Even if he did almost make me lose the love of the game watching it
 
I wanted Big Sam and I'm really pleased we have him but not for the expansive, flowing football. The fact is that he's simply the best man for the job if you want to build solid foundations and cement your place as a mid-table Premiership club. I'll take that over what we've had for the last few years any day of the week. If Short backs Sam properly then I think we'll look an entirely different side in two years time. As for his last few months at West Ham and his attitude to their fans, I'm not concerned in the slightest. Knowing he was leaving would naturally have demotivated him and the players would have turned off and I think it's a combination of those two factors that explain the second half of last season for West Ham. As for his attitude to the fans - what do they expect? He took them from the Championship into the Premiership at the first time of asking and not only kept them there, he made them a very secure Premiership side, yet despite that achievement, they gave him dog's abuse throughout his tenure. I think he's justified in feeling unappreciated after all he achieved as I'd be bloody grateful if he did something similar for us.
 
It doesn't matter how you dress it up with their position in the table, the fans had started to get fed up with the style of play.
I can guarantee there'll be plenty of dissent on here in his second season. It's the way of the world.
I just think the over defensive reaction to that piece is disingenuous, and I'm not likely to think any differently because Sam, got them to steady mid table.
We've had it so bad, that we're actually thrilled at the prospect of mid table. It doesn't mean that every fan in the country should feel that way. Considering the cost of a seat at Upton Park, I can see why they felt short changed.


I'm sorry but I completely disagree. He took over a team who were relegated, got them up and made them a solid premier league side.

As a fan you still might not like him as a person, manager or his style but you cannot deny his positive impact on your club. You can whinge about style of play or that he should be achieving more after 4 years but you simply cannot dismiss the past.

Peter Reid did a great job for us, got us promoted, relegated and then came 4th bottom, bought a load of shit and was sacked. I don't hear many Sunderland fans saying he was shite because they appepreciate the good things he did.

Sunderland are in the shit and for a West Ham fans to remotely mock his appointment is staggering stupid IMO. His results at their club would be a vast improvement for us just as it was for them until they decided they deserved better.

As for their saviour Bilic, let's see where they finish at the end of the season because they should have been soundly beaten by the team bottom of the league just over a week ago.
 
As for their saviour Bilic, let's see where they finish at the end of the season because they should have been soundly beaten by the team bottom of the league just over a week ago.

although to be fair we have also soundly beaten the two top teams in the table this season
 
although to be fair we have also soundly beaten the two top teams in the table this season

Which means your still an inconsistent mid table side.

We need a long term plan of stabilty and there's nobody I can think of who fits the bill better than Allardyce. Sure there'll be frustrations along the way but we'll have to live with that.

You should have been 4-0 down at half time last week. IMO we would have betean you if Noble had been rightly sent off. I would be a little worried if my team were only turning up against the big boys.
 
I'm sorry but I completely disagree. He took over a team who were relegated, got them up and made them a solid premier league side.

As a fan you still might not like him as a person, manager or his style but you cannot deny his positive impact on your club. You can whinge about style of play or that he should be achieving more after 4 years but you simply cannot dismiss the past.

Peter Reid did a great job for us, got us promoted, relegated and then came 4th bottom, bought a load of shit and was sacked. I don't hear many Sunderland fans saying he was shite because they appepreciate the good things he did.

Sunderland are in the shit and for a West Ham fans to remotely mock his appointment is staggering stupid IMO. His results at their clubs would be a vast improvement for us just as it was for them until they decided they deserved better.

As for their saviour Bilic, let's see where they finish at the end of the season because they should have been soundly beaten by the team bottom of the league just over a week ago.
Like I said earlier, I've had hell on with some on twitter. I pointed out what he did for them but they wouldn't have it. They called him "a c.unt of a man" and saying we are well suited. I now despise West Ham and their fans as much as I do the mags now. I can't wait until it goes tits up for them.
 
I'm sorry but I completely disagree. He took over a team who were relegated, got them up and made them a solid premier league side.

As a fan you still might not like him as a person, manager or his style but you cannot deny his positive impact on your club. You can whinge about style of play or that he should be achieving more after 4 years but you simply cannot dismiss the past.

Peter Reid did a great job for us, got us promoted, relegated and then came 4th bottom, bought a load of shit and was sacked. I don't hear many Sunderland fans saying he was shite because they appepreciate the good things he did.

Sunderland are in the shit and for a West Ham fans to remotely mock his appointment is staggering stupid IMO. His results at their clubs would be a vast improvement for us just as it was for them until they decided they deserved better.

As for their saviour Bilic, let's see where they finish at the end of the season because they should have been soundly beaten by the team bottom of the league just over a week ago.
I can agree with some of that, but I instantly dismiss managers who slag off their fans. They're getting paid to provide what the club, and it's fans ask of them. If what they ask falls short of that, then they've failed in part. It's no use saying they reached mid table, if he agreed to push for top 7, and a cup run. We don't know what he said he would achieve.
He'll probably do ok here, as we have always had very low objectives. We don't do ambition any more. It's called delusion at Sunderland.
 
It's no different. We've done nothing but whinge about Bruce for doing the same thing, and rightly so.
I can understand him being bitter about the way the Dildo twins treated him, but it shows a complete lack of class to have a go at the fans on a message board. He didn't need to mention them at all, but just like Bruce, he couldn't resist it.
Allardyce is saying it how it happened, his contract wasn't renewed because his football wasn't 'pretty' enough; Bruce implies that he was hounded out due to his Geordie roots (while conveniently forgetting his winless runs). There is a subtle but significant difference...
 
Which means your still an inconsistent mid table side.

We need a long term plan of stabilty and there's nobody I can think of who fits the bill better than Allardyce. Sure there'll be frustrations along the way but we'll have to live with that.

You should have been 4-0 down at half time last week. IMO we would have betean you if Noble had been rightly sent off. I would be a little worried if my team were only turning up against the big boys.
Ha'way Keith. We only ever turn up against the big boys. It's why we're where we are.
Also, it was Dick who put that team out against Bilic last week, not Sam. We have no way of knowing if Sam would have done any better.
 
Which means your still an inconsistent mid table side.

We need a long term plan of stabilty and there's nobody I can think of who fits the bill better than Allardyce. Sure there'll be frustrations along the way but we'll have to live with that.

You should have been 4-0 down at half time last week. IMO we would have betean you if Noble had been rightly sent off. I would be a little worried if my team were only turning up against the big boys.


we've played well enough in most other matches also

Mid-table is fine for me this year, it appears we are going to sell out the season tickets at the new place and have already sold out corporate hospitality for the next 3 seasons so mid-table this year is fine and then a big spend expecte din the summer
 
Ha'way Keith. We only ever turn up against the big boys. It's why we're where we are.
Also, it was Dick who put that team out against Bilic last week, not Sam. We have no way of knowing if Sam would have done any better.

We're nowhere near West Ham, due mainly to bad managers here and BSA.

Bilic is their new hero though, manager of their dreams etc. West Ham were f***ing rotten last week. MotD was a discrace. They missed out a couple of our good chances 1st half (Borini hit the side netting and curled one just wide) and didn't show the Noble incident.

If Bilic fails and IMO there's no reason to expect him to do well long term I and Sam will have a quiet smile.
 
Allardyce is saying it how it happened, his contract wasn't renewed because his football wasn't 'pretty' enough; Bruce implies that he was hounded out due to his Geordie roots (while conveniently forgetting his winless runs). There is a subtle but significant difference...
They both conveniently forgot the truth. WH are very ambitious. They want Champions League in the next 5 years, and they knew that they needed to change to succeed. They gave him fair warning that this is what they wanted. it's harsh, but this is the reality of life in top flight football. They've been charging their fans a small fortune to buy into this dream. No wonder they weren't happy.
At the time Bruce started messing up for us, we were sure we were going places, also have been sold false promises. No wonder we weren't happy.
 
We're nowhere near West Ham, due mainly to bad managers here and BSA.

Bilic is their new hero though, manager of their dreams etc. West Ham were f***ing rotten last week. MotD was a discrace. They missed out a couple of our good chances 1st half (Borini hit the side netting and curled one just wide) and didn't show the Noble incident.

If Bilic fails and IMO there's no reason to expect him to do well long term I and Sam will have a quiet smile.
Fairplay. I accept they were gash last week. Only time will tell who's got the better deal.
 
of course the other way of looking at that is we went away from home played the worst we have done all season and didn't get beat

a very Allardyce like performace
 
The fan in question was giving Sam no praise at all, only putting his spin on the negative aspects of his spell in charge.

Compare this situation. Bruce took over when we were relegation fodder, had one decent season then returned us back to where we were when he came in. IMO he was deservedly sacked but all he waffled on about was finishing 10th and being sacked for being a geordie. It was bullshit, he failed, the table doesn't lie.

Sam got West Ham promoted and established them as a mid table side when many other promoted sides get relegated or struggle year on year like ourselves.

To slag Sam off for those tagible achievements is having a very narrow minded view of things. We might not have a first hand view but the raw facts are there for all to judge. Again the table doesn't lie.
Yeah because our fans don't put a negative spin on Bruce do they?
Last day survival season before he came in then 13th and tenth (west ham 12th and tenth) and Bruce was 16th when got sacked. What this west ham fan is saying is no different to what so many of our fans have been saying regarding Bruce for years yet you and others are having a pop at him for it!
Hypocrisy of some of our fans knows no bounds at times!
I rarely agree with @Purrfect South on anything and vice versa but he's got this one spot on.
 
They both conveniently forgot the truth. WH are very ambitious. They want Champions League in the next 5 years, and they knew that they needed to change to succeed. They gave him fair warning that this is what they wanted. it's harsh, but this is the reality of life in top flight football. They've been charging their fans a small fortune to buy into this dream. No wonder they weren't happy.
At the time Bruce started messing up for us, we were sure we were going places, also have been sold false promises. No wonder we weren't happy.

They have no chance at all of Champions League in the next 5 years. That is laughable. And to say it to a manager who has just taken you up from the Champo into the Prem without providing him with about £300 million to fight it out with Chelsea, Arsenal and the two Manchester clubs for that 4th spot - because that what it would realistically take - isn't 'ambitious', it's delusional.
Europa league is possible for a lot if teams if they have a really good season. But even then they are just as likely to be bottom half the following year.
 
we';ve said nothing about aiming for Champions League in 5 years. They have said they would like to but it's highly "unlikely but we can dream" (Sullivans words). We are however very ambitious but the board haven't been silly enough to put any set time limits on anything
 
They have no chance at all of Champions League in the next 5 years. That is laughable. And to say it to a manager who has just taken you up from the Champo into the Prem without providing him with about £300 million to fight it out with Chelsea, Arsenal and the two Manchester clubs for that 4th spot - because that what it would realistically take - isn't 'ambitious', it's delusional.
Europa league is possible for a lot if teams if they have a really good season. But even then they are just as likely to be bottom half the following year.
That's their ambition. It's not for me to decide if it's delusional or not. They won't be the only club that thinks like that either.

we';ve said nothing about aiming for Champions League in 5 years. They have said they would like to but it's highly "unlikely but we can dream" (Sullivans words). We are however very ambitious but the board haven't been silly enough to put any set time limits on anything
I'm pretty certain that's the owners aim. He's just trying to keep a lid on your dreams for a couple of years. Whether or not it materialises is another thing, but you'll have an amazing infrastructure in place for very little outlay. That leaves you plenty of readies to spend on players.
 
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