White Ball Contracts

[brandon]

Been touched upon in the Hales and Rashid threads, but wanted to get people's opinions on the white ball contract as a whole.

It isn't necessarily a new thing, when the WI lads have pretty much been doing it for a few years now - but it's now coming into our domestic game.

Frankly, it worries me, because it proves things have began to slide too far towards T20 and the money, than Test cricket. I'm not suggesting for one second that I blame any individual player either - I suppose when faced with 4 overs, a bit of fielding and maybe a quick slog, it's immediately more palatable than having the toil of bowling 20-30 overs in a day of county championship cricket. Certainly by way of hourly rate.

Martin Moxon said he wouldn't be granting too many more players the same luxury afforded to Rashid, but the truth is, he may not have that much say...... Certainly though he's fortunate, because Yorkshire are one of only a few clubs who could afford to pander to players in such a way. Imagine a club like us, or Northants, or Derbyshire being given an ultimatum by one of their top players about such a deal?

It's been noted by many that Mark Wood may indeed eventually plump for this kind of deal and I have to say, the way 'Team England' have fucked him over time and time again it'd hardly be a surprise if he wanted to jack in the red ball stuff. Problem is, could we afford him? Unfortunately I think it's a luxury we wouldn't be able to indulge in.

It'll only get worse too when the franchise bullshit comes into the fore.

I have a genuine fear that it could spell the end for many counties and worsstill, for the County Championship as a whole.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

I think you have covered it well. Don’t disagree with a single word of that

 

[Silly Point]

County cricket will be no more in less than ten years. It's demise hastened by the franchise shite. Anyone fancies a bet with me on it feel free. As a consequence our Test side will continue to struggle and slide further and further. Again, feel free to challenge my prediction, give me a little hope to cling onto.

 

[Bri]

County cricket will be no more in less than ten years. It's demise hastened by the franchise shite. Anyone fancies a bet with me on it feel free. As a consequence our Test side will continue to struggle and slide further and further. Again, feel free to challenge my prediction, give me a little hope to cling onto.

But nobody will care because it is only Test Creicket ...... apart from a few oldies with a memory.

 

[Ageing trundler]

It survived the 1960s when three 1 day competitions appeared. I dare say it will change in the next few years with less games. Depends on this franchise s*** being a success.

 

[The Rat]

But nobody will care because it is only Test Creicket ...... apart from a few oldies with a memory.

Test cricket still the most popular format in England mind.

Been touched upon in the Hales and Rashid threads, but wanted to get people's opinions on the white ball contract as a whole.

It isn't necessarily a new thing, when the WI lads have pretty much been doing it for a few years now - but it's now coming into our domestic game.

Frankly, it worries me, because it proves things have began to slide too far towards T20 and the money, than Test cricket. I'm not suggesting for one second that I blame any individual player either - I suppose when faced with 4 overs, a bit of fielding and maybe a quick slog, it's immediately more palatable than having the toil of bowling 20-30 overs in a day of county championship cricket. Certainly by way of hourly rate.

Martin Moxon said he wouldn't be granting too many more players the same luxury afforded to Rashid, but the truth is, he may not have that much say...... Certainly though he's fortunate, because Yorkshire are one of only a few clubs who could afford to pander to players in such a way. Imagine a club like us, or Northants, or Derbyshire being given an ultimatum by one of their top players about such a deal?

It's been noted by many that Mark Wood may indeed eventually plump for this kind of deal and I have to say, the way 'Team England' have fucked him over time and time again it'd hardly be a surprise if he wanted to jack in the red ball stuff. Problem is, could we afford him? Unfortunately I think it's a luxury we wouldn't be able to indulge in.

It'll only get worse too when the franchise bullshit comes into the fore.

I have a genuine fear that it could spell the end for many counties and worsstill, for the County Championship as a whole.

Some good points

What I would say it is 2 players who have played first class cricket for over 10 years, had a shot at test cricket, and failed.

They will have been probably hinted at that they have no chance of getting back in the team in the near future.

So I think these are extreme examples, I think a 21 year old who breaks into the ODI won't just throw away the chance to play test cricket, maybe he will after a decade on the circuit, like Hales and Rashid have done

Its been overexaggerated a bit IMO

 

[Voice of fair play]

The Ashes is and always will be the pinnacle of the game. its about trying to get the right balance to bring in new fans to cricket as a whole.

 

[Twisted]

I suppose when faced with 4 overs, a bit of fielding and maybe a quick slog, it's immediately more palatable than having the toil of bowling 20-30 overs in a day of county championship cricket. Certainly by way of hourly rate.

you'd like to think if you really liked playing cricket you'd fancy having an actual chance to bat for a while and bowl proper spells. but i guess if the viewer cant be arsed to pay attention for more than 5 seconds that's the same problem as players can't be arsed to put in effort for more thn 5 overs

 

[Voice of fair play]

you'd like to think if you really liked playing cricket you'd fancy having an actual chance to bat for a while and bowl proper spells. but i guess if the viewer cant be arsed to pay attention for more than 5 seconds that's the same problem as players can't be arsed to put in effort for more thn 5 overs

I think the viewer can be arsed to pay attention if the cricket is entertaining you only have to look at the tests in the 2005 Ashes to see that,

However watching test cricket in the sub-continent on dry slow surfaces does not have the same value at all and is only for the real cricket lovers.

That is probably one of many reasons why the IPL is soo popular there.

 

[brandon]

Some good points

What I would say it is 2 players who have played first class cricket for over 10 years, had a shot at test cricket, and failed.

They will have been probably hinted at that they have no chance of getting back in the team in the near future.

So I think these are extreme examples, I think a 21 year old who breaks into the ODI won't just throw away the chance to play test cricket, maybe he will after a decade on the circuit, like Hales and Rashid have done

Its been overexaggerated a bit IMO

I hope you're right Rat, but what worries me most is that the two lads in question have no fight or desire in them to break into the Test side.

It's only two in this country, but others are doing it around the world too and I just hope it doesn't become the norm.

 

[wayne entwhistle no9]

Been touched upon in the Hales and Rashid threads, but wanted to get people's opinions on the white ball contract as a whole.

It isn't necessarily a new thing, when the WI lads have pretty much been doing it for a few years now - but it's now coming into our domestic game.

Frankly, it worries me, because it proves things have began to slide too far towards T20 and the money, than Test cricket. I'm not suggesting for one second that I blame any individual player either - I suppose when faced with 4 overs, a bit of fielding and maybe a quick slog, it's immediately more palatable than having the toil of bowling 20-30 overs in a day of county championship cricket. Certainly by way of hourly rate.

Martin Moxon said he wouldn't be granting too many more players the same luxury afforded to Rashid, but the truth is, he may not have that much say...... Certainly though he's fortunate, because Yorkshire are one of only a few clubs who could afford to pander to players in such a way. Imagine a club like us, or Northants, or Derbyshire being given an ultimatum by one of their top players about such a deal?

It's been noted by many that Mark Wood may indeed eventually plump for this kind of deal and I have to say, the way 'Team England' have fucked him over time and time again it'd hardly be a surprise if he wanted to jack in the red ball stuff. Problem is, could we afford him? Unfortunately I think it's a luxury we wouldn't be able to indulge in.

It'll only get worse too when the franchise bullshit comes into the fore.

I have a genuine fear that it could spell the end for many counties and worsstill, for the County Championship as a whole.

If Moxon has said that then what a stupid thing to do and say. He has allowed the genie out of the bottle by granting Rashid a one day contract. The head of cricket at the biggest county in the country and he has allowed his key spin bowler to opt out of championship cricket. That shows that even with counties like Yorkshire the championship is no longer the the major prize. A dreadful decision and shows that even the major counties are no longer all out to win the championship.

 

[brandon]

If Moxon has said that then what a stupid thing to do and say. He has allowed the genie out of the bottle by granting Rashid a one day contract. The head of cricket at the biggest county in the country and he has allowed his key spin bowler to opt out of championship cricket. That shows that even with counties like Yorkshire the championship is no longer the the major prize. A dreadful decision and shows that even the major counties are no longer all out to win the championship.

I didn't see it that way, I do think Yorkshire see the Championship as the major prize still - I'm sure their members do too - I just think they realise that change is happening and that they'd rather have Rashid in some capacity than lose him to a Surrey or Nottinghamshire.

 

[wayne entwhistle no9]

I didn't see it that way, I do think Yorkshire see the Championship as the major prize still - I'm sure their members do too - I just think they realise that change is happening and that they'd rather have Rashid in some capacity than lose him to a Surrey or Nottinghamshire.

Iam sure the members do but then again they are mostly like me over 50 and like nothing better than watching a relaxed days county cricket. But Yorkshire by allowing this have stated that the championship is not the holy grail of county cricket.

 

[Brexit]

Too much money sloshing about in t20. If you have the ability and 10 years or so to pocket as much as possible then you'll be going down this road more and more. £500k to spend April in Chennai or £60k a year to break your fingers on an April green top at CLS?

 

[The Rat]

Too much money sloshing about in t20. If you have the ability and 10 years or so to pocket as much as possible then you'll be going down this road more and more. £500k to spend April in Chennai or £60k a year to break your fingers on an April green top at CLS?

on a separate note, all I heard all winter was the pundits saying we don't produce pace bowlers because 70mph bowlers can bowl you out in the CC

They clearly didn't watch much county cricket last year as the pitches were flat as a pancake.

On the IPL thing, its not guaranteed like, a lot of players don't get picked up

You have to be good or have contacts

Rashid and Hales don't have any franchise contracts, if they lose there England contracts then they are fucked.

 

[Carteron]

County cricket will be no more in less than ten years. It's demise hastened by the franchise shite. Anyone fancies a bet with me on it feel free. As a consequence our Test side will continue to struggle and slide further and further. Again, feel free to challenge my prediction, give me a little hope to cling onto.

I bet you £5 that County Cricket still exists in 2028

 

[harmy]

County cricket will be no more in less than ten years. It's demise hastened by the franchise shite. Anyone fancies a bet with me on it feel free. As a consequence our Test side will continue to struggle and slide further and further. Again, feel free to challenge my prediction, give me a little hope to cling onto.

Couldn’t agree more mate. Local cricket is going the same way. People are just not interested no more.

 

[brandon]

Another one bites the dust......

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[WCC]

Another one bites the dust......

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Had forgot all about him.

 

[rentaghost]

Been touched upon in the Hales and Rashid threads, but wanted to get people's opinions on the white ball contract as a whole.

It isn't necessarily a new thing, when the WI lads have pretty much been doing it for a few years now - but it's now coming into our domestic game.

Frankly, it worries me, because it proves things have began to slide too far towards T20 and the money, than Test cricket. I'm not suggesting for one second that I blame any individual player either - I suppose when faced with 4 overs, a bit of fielding and maybe a quick slog, it's immediately more palatable than having the toil of bowling 20-30 overs in a day of county championship cricket. Certainly by way of hourly rate.

Martin Moxon said he wouldn't be granting too many more players the same luxury afforded to Rashid, but the truth is, he may not have that much say...... Certainly though he's fortunate, because Yorkshire are one of only a few clubs who could afford to pander to players in such a way. Imagine a club like us, or Northants, or Derbyshire being given an ultimatum by one of their top players about such a deal?

It's been noted by many that Mark Wood may indeed eventually plump for this kind of deal and I have to say, the way 'Team England' have fucked him over time and time again it'd hardly be a surprise if he wanted to jack in the red ball stuff. Problem is, could we afford him? Unfortunately I think it's a luxury we wouldn't be able to indulge in.

It'll only get worse too when the franchise bullshit comes into the fore.

I have a genuine fear that it could spell the end for many counties and worsstill, for the County Championship as a whole.

Good post but that bit is a load of shite. They have been fine by Wood. He is a player that has had fitness problems since the beginning of his career. England get accused of slogging him into the ground and they get accused by others of not playing him enough. Bottom line is wood is a crock who cant sustain his fitness for long periods. He should concentrate of the shorter forms of the game if he cant sustain his fitness.