Where were NUFC fans before 1992?


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While we gained fans when the sol opened, we all still have a similar mindset. With the mags you can tell the post 1992 ers a mile off. There's a mag at work who's spot on who has had a season ticket long before 92 and I can talk to him. All the rest are a set of nobheads who think nufc should be in the Champions League every season.
 
Okay let's put this another way.

It would be fair to say that Newcastle have more armchair gobshites fans that have never set foot in St. James', due to their relative success in the league under Keegan and Robson.

The SAFC supporters from outside Sunderland are of a more genuine class than your average Mag from outside Newcastle.
 
Where were ours prior to the new stadium? Stood in crowds of 12000 at roker in season we won old first division.

You are being slightly disingenuous there like, and putting in a bit of a red herring. The odd crowd of that level was in the first half of the season before we realised we were on to a good thing. To say "crowds of 12000 at roker in season we won old first division" suggests we wouldn't even turn up for a championship winning team.
 
You are being slightly disingenuous there like, and putting in a bit of a red herring. The odd crowd of that level was in the first half of the season before we realised we were on to a good thing. To say "crowds of 12000 at roker in season we won old first division" suggests we wouldn't even turn up for a championship winning team.
Our average for that season was over 17,000 so 12,000 was very much the exception rather than the rule.
 
Genuine question. Were they people just not that interested in football before Sky and Keegan sexed it up for them, or were there loads of traitors from around the North East that defected?
Not specific to NUFC. The premier league and sky coverage gave the game the lift it needed. With the influx of money it attracted foreigners, and more exciting football

fwiw I was there during ossie ardiles, jim smith etc and if anything went less after the PL was introduced, mainly due to cost. However, once I was old enough to work I got my season ticket and had it ever since
 
You are being slightly disingenuous there like, and putting in a bit of a red herring. The odd crowd of that level was in the first half of the season before we realised we were on to a good thing. To say "crowds of 12000 at roker in season we won old first division" suggests we wouldn't even turn up for a championship winning team.
So what you're saying is we stayed away until it picked up? But like the mags and pretty much every other team then?
We were top of the league around December time and I remember a crowd of about 12k at home to palace if I remember rightly.
 
i think both sets of clubs had and still have a great history of numbers through the gates through thick and thin, even when those gates opened onto shoddy terraces,piss poor facilities with uncovered stands and without this corporate bollocks that football has turned into

also as my grandad points out to me every time im at his house, in days gone by a lot of people went to St James one week and Sunderland the next, with no bother, animosity or police escorts, just for the joy of watching football and supporting a local team with their friends and work colleagues.

genuine fans of both clubs should never be questioned red and white or black and white

Further to this, if any of you have ever been to stamford bridge and the emirates and seen their shitty club paid for banners and flags they have put up to give the look of loyal support etc, thats whats f***ing ball achingly annoying about football to me these days
 
Newcastle's gates have historically been higher than ours on average. I don't subscribe to the argument that thousands chucked out their Sunderland scarfs and were lured in by Keegan.

What Newcastle did do was cultivate an interest among young people and those who were previously uninterested. It was easy to do this with their better team, stadium, city and media image. The gap between the two clubs in the 90s was vast but we wrestled back a lot of the lost ground in terms of support with the opening of a new stadium as it made football a more attractive pass time for families here - Reid's team also helped matters.

We are probably back at our natural levels now in terms of the numbers that follow both clubs
They also didn't make the gate up as we did.Allegedly . When the Echo and the Football Echo used to do the back in the day articles and publish reports of games in the 60's and 70's they would often have a picture showing a fullish Roker and Clock Stand paddock and the gate will be have been recorded as 23,000. The ground was much bigger and fuller than 97 and the 22k sell outs

He did, as did I. Can remember being part of a sub-10,000 attendance at Roker circa 94 against some shite on a freezing cold Saturday. Lee Howey scored a hat-trick. Damned if I can remember who it was against. Think it was Buxton in charge.
Probably Preston in the league cup. Sub 10 k crowds are pretty normal in that competition

And plenty of sub 10,000 crowds before Stokoe arrived - it was bloody cold.
Vast majority were over 10k though. Sub. 10k gates very much he exception for us and the mags to be fair
 
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Okay let's put this another way.

It would be fair to say that Newcastle have more armchair gobshites fans that have never set foot in St. James', due to their relative success in the league under Keegan and Robson.

The SAFC supporters from outside Sunderland are of a more genuine class than your average Mag from outside Newcastle.

This 100%.

Met countless Mags from all over the country even as far south as Kent who have openly admitted they had zero connection to the North East and only supported them at school because they were decent in the 90s and a rival for Man Utd.

The Mags have a lot of fans who have a connection to the North East (as do we) but they do have a number of Keegan plastics who have stuck with them.
 
Both NE teams worst post war average attendance were in the 80s (Sunderland 13k 1987, Newcastle 16k 1981) when football was on its arse.
Liverpool and Everton who were dominant at the time didn't pull in much more than us back then.
 
So what you're saying is we stayed away until it picked up? But like the mags and pretty much every other team then?
We were top of the league around December time and I remember a crowd of about 12k at home to palace if I remember rightly.

Yeah, that's right. The win put us second iirc, but in mitigation it was on the telly and it was probably only after that game the fans thought we had a chance of promotion. This was after 3 straight seasons of nearly going down and no real money being spent that season.
 
Yeah, that's right. The win put us second iirc, but in mitigation it was on the telly and it was probably only after that game the fans thought we had a chance of promotion. This was after 3 straight seasons of nearly going down and no real money being spent that season.

It was also the fifth successive season of second flight football, watching the delights of Crosby , Butcher and Buxton teams. Between 85/86 and 95/96(11 seasons) We'd spent 1 in the top flight.These were probably the grimmest times in SAFC history.
 
Yeah, that's right. The win put us second iirc, but in mitigation it was on the telly and it was probably only after that game the fans thought we had a chance of promotion. This was after 3 straight seasons of nearly going down and no real money being spent that season.
Look I'm not knocking anyone for
Staying away I'm just commenting on how our upsurge in numbers through the turnstiles coincided with a nice new stadium. The mags upsurge coincided with the Keegan era. Pretty ridiculous to be mocking the mags when we are guilty of a pretty similar thing. We didn't even sell out every game at roker the following season when we were in the top flight either.
 
So what you're saying is we stayed away until it picked up? But like the mags and pretty much every other team then?
We were top of the league around December time and I remember a crowd of about 12k at home to palace if I remember rightly.
Aye, I remember that one. Sunday, live on the box, and it pissed down all day. Dreadful game
 
Remember nationally the post Italia 90 and sky boom meant the demographic of the football supporter changed and in doing so attendances increased.The difference is Newcastle tapped into this earlier than us with the Keegan appointment and self-publicity of the toon army so it lead to an increase in crowds as the product was also better.

You can say we tried to broaden our appeal with a fly on the wall programme,fanct new stadium and of course a team that won games.
 
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