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The facts are that we are both followed on big numbers. They probably picked up a few due to their resurgence under Keegan and we picked up ours due to a new stadium and we also had some our best moments over the last 50 years in the SOLS early days.First season I started going to Roker was 69-70, we had the third lowest average crowd in the division - 21,790. Only Ipswich & Burnley had less. The Mags were up at 37,500.
Genuine question. Were they people just not that interested in football before Sky and Keegan sexed it up for them, or were there loads of traitors from around the North East that defected?
They don't, they think it is reasonable to assume, given the numbers that pour through the gate, that they might get half a team to be proud of every now and then.The facts are that we are both followed on big numbers. They probably picked up a few due to their resurgence under Keegan and we picked up ours due to a new stadium and we also had some our best moments over the last 50 years in the SOLS early days.
The problem with sunderland and Newcastle fans is that they seem to believe because they get big numbers through the gates it makes them big clubs when the results over a significant period says we are nothing more than also rans.
They were Sunderland supporters. Also Hall played a blinder braying out all this Geordie Nation shite enticing kids from not just the North East area but from all around the country who wanted to see attacking football and a hint of success. Look at all the plastic Mags like Fat Beefy, Graeme Swann and Tony Blair.
Just because we get big numbers doesn't mean we have any more right to have a half decent team than any other club.They don't, they think it is reasonable to assume, given the numbers that pour through the gate, that they might get half a team to be proud of every now and then.
The fact they haven't and they still come means they are superb supporters. If they had a sense of entitlement then there would be 10,000 there as the rest would have gone to boil their heads.
I agree. But given we do and the resources available to both clubs, it is not reasonable to expect us to be half decent/competitive?Just because we get big numbers doesn't mean we have any more right to have a half decent team than any other club.
Just because we get big numbers doesn't mean we have any more right to have a half decent team than any other club.
I don't think we will with the new manager, but it's not impossible given the team as a whole can't defend.Where were you pre mansour?
We could beat those this season.....
Probably because they don't do very well in the champions league
Roker Park.
Facts are in my signature fellas. 15 years either side of the 'watershed moment' in the uplift (our formation vs your stadium move)
f***ing 1997ers.
We are both historically ( last 50 year other than mags spell under Keegan) bottom end top flight clubs. The mags and us were up and down like shithouse seats in 80s and 90s and have both been relegated in 2000s as well. Players aren't keen on coming up here either which is another issue. As for resource with the sky money now being the major player when it comes to revenue for all clubs outside the big boys the fact we get more fans than likes of Stoke and Leicester is becoming less and less relevant.I agree. But given we do and the resources available to both clubs, it is not reasonable to expect us to be half decent/competitive?
No...the attendance more than doubled straight awayWhere were you pre mansour?
We could beat those this season.....
Probably because they don't do very well in the champions league
Roker Park.
Where were ours prior to the new stadium? Stood in crowds of 12000 at roker in season we won old first division.
Genuine question. Were they people just not that interested in football before Sky and Keegan sexed it up for them, or were there loads of traitors from around the North East that defected?
They were still evolving deep within the chasms behind Byker Wall. A great wizard by the name of Kevin Keegan of Southampton Lay- By appeared and sprinkled stardust on them, and lo and behold from below the rocks and shit crawled these creatures that were to be named, the toon army.Genuine question. Were they people just not that interested in football before Sky and Keegan sexed it up for them, or were there loads of traitors from around the North East that defected?
The facts are that we are both followed on big numbers. They probably picked up a few due to their resurgence under Keegan and we picked up ours due to a new stadium and we also had some our best moments over the last 50 years in the SOLS early days.
The problem with sunderland and Newcastle fans is that they seem to believe because they get big numbers through the gates it makes them big clubs when the results over a significant period says we are nothing more than also rans.
What do those stats in your signature actually prove? If I've read them correctly your 92% was at a time when you's were doing really well (glory hunters), whereas our increase was at a time when we'd just been relegated to the Championship (failure hunters?)?