West Brom's safe standing rejected


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Its not shit at all. My opinion is different to yours. You surely did not expect to come on here and have everyone agree with you, which seemingly seems to be the bit that has got people hot under the collar. Youd think I'd shit in your knicker drawer the way some are going on here.

I've seen standing in action at English football grounds and I've seen the way our fans behave. I couldnt care less what variant of "standing" you come up with "safe" or otherwise, I dont support it. English football and safety at football grounds has come a long way in the last 30 years and I dont see why we are trying to fix something that isnt broken.

Sorry, I dont support it, irrespective of how hot under the collar people get. Not only that bit it is not even a talking point, ever, amongst football fans I speak to. Never yet heard a groundswell of opinion calling for the reintroduction of standing. I dont think that I've ever had a conversation about it ever in a pub or club or out on the street and I can well understand why football clubs, local authorities and the government would be extremely nervous about its reintroduction.

However football and the authorities can do what they like but I'll not be standing in such an area again - safe, rail or otherwise.

It is shit. People are asking for the choice. Have sections of stadium catering for the differing needs and desires of different fans.
 
Its not shit at all. My opinion is different to yours. You surely did not expect to come on here and have everyone agree with you, which seemingly seems to be the bit that has got people hot under the collar. Youd think I'd shit in your knicker drawer the way some are going on here.

I've seen standing in action at English football grounds and I've seen the way our fans behave. I couldnt care less what variant of "standing" you come up with "safe" or otherwise, I dont support it. English football and safety at football grounds has come a long way in the last 30 years and I dont see why we are trying to fix something that isnt broken.

Sorry, I dont support it, irrespective of how hot under the collar people get. Not only that bit it is not even a talking point, ever, amongst football fans I speak to. Never yet heard a groundswell of opinion calling for the reintroduction of standing. I dont think that I've ever had a conversation about it ever in a pub or club or out on the street and I can well understand why football clubs, local authorities and the government would be extremely nervous about its reintroduction.

However football and the authorities can do what they like but I'll not be standing in such an area again - safe, rail or otherwise.

there are tens of thousands of fans across the country that currently stand all match, every match, in seated terraces that weren't designed for people to stand in. so yes, there is a problem, and yes it is a talking point. people have pointed it out, in several ways, on this thread, and you decide to ignore all the available evidence and carry on with your warped view. its not an opinion. you are talking absolute bollocks
 
because you are displaying cretinous behaviour? adjective. informal: foolish or stupid

foolish. adjective: having shown a great lack of intelligence or common sense

now, for the 4th time in 2 pages, please answer my question. you said, in your words, ''Been there, seen it and done it with English football'' - please explain to me how you have been there and seen it when it has never, ever existed in this country?
I have experienced standing at football grounds in England. I have also said that I do not support, under any circumstances, no matter what you call it, standing at english football grounds anymore. You can call it whatever you like, its is still standing. There is nothing cretinous about not wanting standing at english football grounds. what it is is a different opinion - no more than that.
 
there are tens of thousands of fans across the country that currently stand all match, every match, in seated terraces that weren't designed for people to stand in. so yes, there is a problem, and yes it is a talking point. people have pointed it out, in several ways, on this thread, and you decide to ignore all the available evidence and carry on with your warped view. its not an opinion. you are talking absolute bollocks
Yes they are and yes it is. They shouldnt be allowed to do it. there should have been a zero tolerance approach taken to this years ago but the authorities turned a blind eye.
 
I have experienced standing at football grounds in England. I have also said that I do not support, under any circumstances, no matter what you call it, standing at english football grounds anymore. You can call it whatever you like, its is still standing. There is nothing cretinous about not wanting standing at english football grounds. what it is is a different opinion - no more than that.
In a seated stand, what do you do when there is an attack on that looks like it's a good chance to be a goal? Do you stay seated in your seat or do you momentarily stand up like most supporters who sit during games?
 
So you have called someone a cretin and yet when I ask you why you cannot say why? The only cretin around here is the one getting on his high horse and calling people "son".


How much do you think they would charge you for standing? If you think they would reduce the charge then I'd suggest you would be disappointed.

for safe standing you could only charge around £18- £20
this has nothing to do with safety how many times have you seen fans falling over rows of seats celebrating a goal ? its all to do with rinsing fans for money
 
It is shit. People are asking for the choice. Have sections of stadium catering for the differing needs and desires of different fans.
A minority are asking for the choice and you probably will never get it, due to the reasons I've outlined previously. There is no government going to reintroduce it willingly - Tories or Labour because the subject is way too emotive as far as England is concerned. We have all seen standing at English football grounds before and what it led to and just because you put a nice shiny label of "rail" or "safe" or whatever you want to, means nothing - its still standing and a lot of English football fans have long memories about standing at football grounds.

As I say I would never support it. lots of people ask for choices about all sorts in life but it doesnt mean they get it. The authorities judge whats best and on this subject I'm pleased that they have denied WBA the chance to introduce safe standing. A very sensible decision. Football fans should be mature enough to accept it and move on instead of foot stamping and name calling.
 
People keep harping on about Hillsborough and how all seater stadia have stopped incidents and accidents but the game has changed so much since then. The hooligan element has certainly been removed and it could be argued football is a much more family friendly environment now.

A poster keeps saying that since all seater stadia became compulsory in law there's been no incidents at all but even at lower league level where 90% have standing terraces there has been no major incidents? Germany have had safe standing areas since 2004 Holland since 2008 and no incidents have occurred?

Is it not possible that the reason safety has improved is lessons have been learnt on all sides and football grounds now have much better stewarding and policing?

The key word here is safe - if it is one person per seat standing in that same area it should make no difference wether that person is sat or stood.
 
In a seated stand, what do you do when there is an attack on that looks like it's a good chance to be a goal? Do you stay seated in your seat or do you momentarily stand up like most supporters who sit during games?
Thats not whats being called for though. What you are calling for is the redesign of stadiums that are already excellent to satisfy the whim of a minority of football fans, some of whom have never stood before yet bleat on about "atmosphere" as though the likes of Roker Park was always a white hot cauldron, which it never was.

Why the hell should SAFC for example, start ripping out thousands of seats, spending millions doing so to satisfy the whim of 1000 or 2000 fans, which is all it is. Crackers. It doesnt make sense.
 
A minority are asking for the choice and you probably will never get it, due to the reasons I've outlined previously. There is no government going to reintroduce it willingly - Tories or Labour because the subject is way too emotive as far as England is concerned. We have all seen standing at English football grounds before and what it led to and just because you put a nice shiny label of "rail" or "safe" or whatever you want to, means nothing - its still standing and a lot of English football fans have long memories about standing at football grounds.

As I say I would never support it. lots of people ask for choices about all sorts in life but it doesnt mean they get it. The authorities judge whats best and on this subject I'm pleased that they have denied WBA the chance to introduce safe standing. A very sensible decision. Football fans should be mature enough to accept it and move on instead of foot stamping and name calling.
The majority of fans polled are pro safe standing. Been loads of polls over the years and they all go pro.

When an attacks on in seating areas some tend to stand up causing everyone else to either follow or miss the action. I’ve had enough of that myself and would prefer safe standing as long as seats are also available and people standing in those seats are slung out of the ground the very first time they stand.

It’d be introduced for home fans at first and possibly only ever for home fans as the probs of having a safe standing and a seating area for away fans may be ower much hassle for clubs.

Thats not whats being called for though. What you are calling for is the redesign of stadiums that are already excellent to satisfy the whim of a minority of football fans, some of whom have never stood before yet bleat on about "atmosphere" as though the likes of Roker Park was always a white hot cauldron, which it never was.

Why the hell should SAFC for example, start ripping out thousands of seats, spending millions doing so to satisfy the whim of 1000 or 2000 fans, which is all it is. Crackers. It doesnt make sense.

It’s not a minority.
 
A minority are asking for the choice and you probably will never get it, due to the reasons I've outlined previously. There is no government going to reintroduce it willingly - Tories or Labour because the subject is way too emotive as far as England is concerned. We have all seen standing at English football grounds before and what it led to and just because you put a nice shiny label of "rail" or "safe" or whatever you want to, means nothing - its still standing and a lot of English football fans have long memories about standing at football grounds.

As I say I would never support it. lots of people ask for choices about all sorts in life but it doesnt mean they get it. The authorities judge whats best and on this subject I'm pleased that they have denied WBA the chance to introduce safe standing. A very sensible decision. Football fans should be mature enough to accept it and move on instead of foot stamping and name calling.

:lol: You'll never change, MBH.
 
People keep harping on about Hillsborough and how all seater stadia have stopped incidents and accidents but the game has changed so much since then. The hooligan element has certainly been removed and it could be argued football is a much more family friendly environment now.

A poster keeps saying that since all seater stadia became compulsory in law there's been no incidents at all but even at lower league level where 90% have standing terraces there has been no major incidents? Germany have had safe standing areas since 2004 Holland since 2008 and no incidents have occurred?

Is it not possible that the reason safety has improved is lessons have been learnt on all sides and football grounds now have much better stewarding and policing?

The key word here is safe - if it is one person per seat standing in that same area it should make no difference wether that person is sat or stood.
Whats Germany and Holland got to do with it? Their fans have never had the track record that English football fans have. Youre talking chalk and cheese. English football fans have a completely different mentality to fans from other countries. Football hooliganism was called "The English Disease" for a reason.

Unbelievable that football fans in this country who have witnessed a complete dearth in incidents inside football stadiums since all seater stadia were introduced should call for some form of standing areas to be reintroduced. Not only that but just how naive are people to think that the cost of such a renovation and revamp wouldnt be passed on to the customer.

TBF I'd argue that we already have "safe standing" at our grounds now - although it should not be tolerated by officials. Out of a 30k crowd at SAFC the only place I ever see people standing is in the SS, by about 2000 people and even then the majority of those are forced to stand due to those who have no care for anyone else and insist on standing for no other reason other than complete ignorance for their fellow fan.
 
A minority are asking for the choice and you probably will never get it, due to the reasons I've outlined previously. There is no government going to reintroduce it willingly - Tories or Labour because the subject is way too emotive as far as England is concerned. We have all seen standing at English football grounds before and what it led to and just because you put a nice shiny label of "rail" or "safe" or whatever you want to, means nothing - its still standing and a lot of English football fans have long memories about standing at football grounds.

As I say I would never support it. lots of people ask for choices about all sorts in life but it doesnt mean they get it. The authorities judge whats best and on this subject I'm pleased that they have denied WBA the chance to introduce safe standing. A very sensible decision. Football fans should be mature enough to accept it and move on instead of foot stamping and name calling.
Why have you got the 'because I don't want it nobody should have it' attitude, bit selfish IMO.
 
A minority are asking for the choice and you probably will never get it, due to the reasons I've outlined previously. There is no government going to reintroduce it willingly - Tories or Labour because the subject is way too emotive as far as England is concerned. We have all seen standing at English football grounds before and what it led to and just because you put a nice shiny label of "rail" or "safe" or whatever you want to, means nothing - its still standing and a lot of English football fans have long memories about standing at football grounds.

As I say I would never support it. lots of people ask for choices about all sorts in life but it doesnt mean they get it. The authorities judge whats best and on this subject I'm pleased that they have denied WBA the chance to introduce safe standing. A very sensible decision. Football fans should be mature enough to accept it and move on instead of foot stamping and name calling.


The problem is as others have said "people are standing in seating areas"
Which can be less safe than safe standing.
I don't think authorities always call the best shots, Sometimes it is about having balls, or lack of them.
Personally I'm not going to lose sleep or stamp my feet. I'm gerrin too old now, for stamping my feet and standing :D

And yes you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that ;)

I will go with the flow. Seating hasn't been all bad, none fading red would be a good invention tho but.
 
I have experienced standing at football grounds in England. I have also said that I do not support, under any circumstances, no matter what you call it, standing at english football grounds anymore. You can call it whatever you like, its is still standing. There is nothing cretinous about not wanting standing at english football grounds. what it is is a different opinion - no more than that.

sorry mate, but you need to step away from the computer.
A minority are asking for the choice and you probably will never get it, due to the reasons I've outlined previously. There is no government going to reintroduce it willingly - Tories or Labour because the subject is way too emotive as far as England is concerned. We have all seen standing at English football grounds before and what it led to and just because you put a nice shiny label of "rail" or "safe" or whatever you want to, means nothing - its still standing and a lot of English football fans have long memories about standing at football grounds.

As I say I would never support it. lots of people ask for choices about all sorts in life but it doesnt mean they get it. The authorities judge whats best and on this subject I'm pleased that they have denied WBA the chance to introduce safe standing. A very sensible decision. Football fans should be mature enough to accept it and move on instead of foot stamping and name calling.

ok, so we disagree. i can lay out stacks of common sense approaches to solving the problem, solutions that don''t effect anyone in a negative way, safe solutions that are tried and tested (germany, holland, scotland), we can prove that the majority of football fans if questioned would be in favour of having them, it would lead to no people unsafely standing in seated areas, and those in seated areas not hassled by those who want to stand.

can you please tell me just one thing: what is so unsafe about standing up to watch a football match, in the 'safe standing' model? one person per designated area, exactly like with a seat, but standing instead of sitting. with a rail to make sure you dont topple forward. what is unsafe about it? and why are you so against it? the new model i mean. not the old terracing, the new safe standing model. i'm very interested
 
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