We missed Altidore today


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At the end of the day anyone can go onto Wiki and they will all look at his stats, the most important being goals scored regardless of the rest of the team. If he contributes everything but goals then put him somewhere else in the team so he can feed the ball to someone who can score. We've got plenty of those in the team already of course in Cattermole, Bridcutt and Colback!
 
Can either of you explain why no striker in our system has had chances let alone scored regularly in our system? I don't buy this whole Fletchers heads gone or he's been injured all season he's scored goals whereever he's been and obviously seemed fit enough for Poyet to send Wickham out on loan, his goals have came when Altidore has been on the pitch in a front 2, not when playing up front on his own. Altidore clearly isn't a 'terrible' player, his hatrick against Bosnia (who are going to the world cup) was arguably as good as you'll see in 45 mins 3 goals and an assist.[DOUBLEPOST=1394595998][/DOUBLEPOST]
He makes valid points in amongst the shite he spouts.

Couldn't give a fuck about the times he tries to be sensible. His opinions are literally f***ing worthless because they are clouded by his obvious bias towards Altidore. The day he comes on here and stops wanking himself silly over his posters of jozy on his bedroom wall, and actually stops criticising the club and it's fans, is the day I'll stop having a go at him.
 
St Joes, if Jozy gets a start Saturday vs Palace and effectively holds the ball up, creating space and opportunities for teammates - yet doesn't score - what will your assessment be?

I predict that most here will say that Scocco or someone else should get his minutes if we win - as Jozy "isn't good enough" - and if Sunderland lose, that he's "shite."

Scocco looks worse than Dozy. Early days but I've seen nothing to suggest he is gonna be any good in the PL
 
Your entire side is awful. You just choose to scapegoat a single individual, sometimes for sinister reasons.

In the end, Jozy will be fine and he'll get to play in front of real supporters of a real football team. He wins.
Will that team be your next team,least you wont hanging around here anymore winding up real sunderland fans
 
As with any business the management responsible fir such a reckless waste of the companies money have fallen on their swords. PDC DeFanti and Angeleri all gone and PDC comments that Dozy Altodire would be best striker in Europe will haunt his career for ever
 
Your entire side is awful. You just choose to scapegoat a single individual, sometimes for sinister reasons.

In the end, Jozy will be fine and he'll get to play in front of real supporters of a real football team. He wins.
Who's this absolute ****? Your this and your that. If you just joined up to bang on about our mild mannered non scoring 'striker,' probably best if you just fucked off to the redneck shithole you first hailed from. Moron.
 
Borini>Altidore>Scocco>Fletcher in that order. Think Gus will think the same as far as our Striker option. We must get somone next year to avoid another nervous moments as i believe we will stay up...just.
 
Who's this absolute ****? Your this and your that. If you just joined up to bang on about our mild mannered non scoring 'striker,' probably best if you just fucked off to the redneck shithole you first hailed from. Moron.

Don't get so angry. You'll strain your mangina again.[DOUBLEPOST=1394764010][/DOUBLEPOST]
Couldn't give a fuck about the times he tries to be sensible. His opinions are literally f***ing worthless because they are clouded by his obvious bias towards Altidore. The day he comes on here and stops wanking himself silly over his posters of jozy on his bedroom wall, and actually stops criticising the club and it's fans, is the day I'll stop having a go at him.

Who f***ing cares? Dumb twat.
 
TBF he was one of the reasons we hammered the maggots at their place this season.

ah, the Mag slayer myth due to people selectively remembering his back heel flick and not the majority of times he was out muscled, lost the ball or was out jumped (under jumped also) for the ball or the fuck up with his chance to score. It's an older myth but still as mythical as the Southampton myth

in a few years he will have won the game all by himself and scored a hat trick :lol:
 
ah, the Mag slayer myth due to people selectively remembering his back heel flick and not the majority of times he was out muscled, lost the ball or was out jumped (under jumped also) for the ball or the fuck up with his chance to score. It's an older myth but still as mythical as the Southampton myth

in a few years he will have won the game all by himself and scored a hat trick :lol:
No, some of us saw the graft he put in and the way their defence couldn't do anything with him, he won the balls put to him and played them to Sunderland shirts, his performance was one of the main reasons we did what we did on that day, he didn't get out muscled or out jumped, I think you may have been watching something else.
 
No, some of us saw the graft he put in and the way their defence couldn't do anything with him, he won the balls put to him and played them to Sunderland shirts, his performance was one of the main reasons we did what we did on that day, he didn't get out muscled or out jumped, I think you may have been watching something else.

I would have posted this a few minutes ago but I couldn't stop laughing and just had to double check that I had indeed watched the same 3-0 win against the Mags :lol:

let me remind you by copy n pasting my long list below. This time I've highlighted the examples of him being out muscled in red and the green is where he's basically shit at heading opportunities. As you can see he connected with his heading opportunities very few times indeed!

so try watching them just the ones highlighted in red and green and then coming back as saying he wasn't out muscled or out jumped!

he won the balls played to him? he won about half of them as he messed up plenty so nothing special as you'd expect someone as big as him to be imposing anyway. Even so, the Mag defence knew exactly what do with him, especially Williamson, as they just barged him out the way without giving away to many free kicks as you can see in the list below

it's simply a case of he played better than he usually did and certainly not the myth of him being a Mag Slayer

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/thread...ost-match-thread.872505/page-10#post-16942348

COPY N PASTED from the thread above

:tin hat on as I know I'm still being critical against a SAFC player (it's not going to hurt him though) but it's only for the reason that some of the comments on SMB are exaggerated to say the least and that I certainly don't believe he terrorised the Mags and conjured a series of superb layoffs as Simon Bird of the Mirror wrote)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...zy-altidore-doesnt-need-3108654?#.UvAjEia4-IU

I'm pleased he did play better than he has and I hope he gets better but why do I get the feeling if we'd drawn 0-0 or worse still we'd lost then Altidore would have been the whipping boy again for his miss especially but that just shows the fickle nature of SMB I suppose. Can you only be critical on a forum (not to the actual player) when we lose?:

Headers
Good
39:17 flick on
41:56 flick on
43:36 good header
45:08 strong header


Not So Good
7:23 just about flicks it on as he actually misjudges flight of ball, nobody there
13:18 no strength, misjudges flight of ball (got pushed rather than pushing)

21:16 doesn't win header as under it os Mag gets head to ball
27:40 1 Mag wins header while other barges Altidore who simply doesn't jump for it. Other forwards possibly would have attacked the ball and went through the 1st Mag

32:12 hits deck easily under challenge
36:57 doesn't get near ball
38:17 misjudges long ball

44:23 jumped over for header

44:28 jumped over for header (these 2 quick heading chances are laughable as he gets nowhere near heading it as Williamson jumps out jumps his with ease!)
45:31 doesn't challenge for header
49:18 misjudges flight of ball for defensive header
50:08 nowhere near ball as jumps for header
52:14 hits deck easily

63:08 fails to win header
71:10 doesn't win header but gets to Mags headed ball first but gives away free kick
71:49 defensive jump but well under ball (not really a defender though to be fair)
84:22 doesn't challenge header



Tackles/Control
Good
22:27 Fantastic back heel flick
30:28 does very well to get ball to Colback after his 1st touch
37:17 hesitates and also a bad touch hits ball towards Taylor but still got his shot off, albeit tame

39:30 gets free kick after being rugby tackled
49:37 good simple 1 2 with Alonso
52:56 loses possession but probably handball
57:42 good control and strength to hold off Mag and great pass to Ki
59:55 questionable 1st touch but keeps control but then his wide shot hit Borini
61:05 great 1st touch but shot well blocked
76:51 holds up ball to play simple ball to Colback


Not So Good
20:00 loses race to ball
21:23 can't control pass, loses possession, could have flicked to Colback
25:26 lost control under pressure from 2 Mags
35:54 can't control ball well enough so loses it
51:40 loses ball to 2 Mags

53:07 plays ball well behind Johnson when we are on counter
60:56 1st touch lets him down
72:28 can't beat Krul 1 on 1
77:54 holds up ball but then loses it when trying to beat Mag
87:40 beaten by Tiote when block tackling


Good and Not So Good
33:28 does great to beat Debuchy to line but pull back lets him down
35:30 good control from long ball but Taylor kicks it out
 
I would have posted this a few minutes ago but I couldn't stop laughing and just had to double check that I had indeed watched the same 3-0 win against the Mags :lol:

let me remind you by copy n pasting my long list below. This time I've highlighted the examples of him being out muscled in red and the green is where he's basically shit at heading opportunities. As you can see he connected with his heading opportunities very few times indeed!

so try watching them just the ones highlighted in red and green and then coming back as saying he wasn't out muscled or out jumped!

he won the balls played to him? he won about half of them as he messed up plenty so nothing special as you'd expect someone as big as him to be imposing anyway. Even so, the Mag defence knew exactly what do with him, especially Williamson, as they just barged him out the way without giving away to many free kicks as you can see in the list below

it's simply a case of he played better than he usually did and certainly not the myth of him being a Mag Slayer

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/thread...ost-match-thread.872505/page-10#post-16942348

COPY N PASTED from the thread above

:tin hat on as I know I'm still being critical against a SAFC player (it's not going to hurt him though) but it's only for the reason that some of the comments on SMB are exaggerated to say the least and that I certainly don't believe he terrorised the Mags and conjured a series of superb layoffs as Simon Bird of the Mirror wrote)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...zy-altidore-doesnt-need-3108654?#.UvAjEia4-IU

I'm pleased he did play better than he has and I hope he gets better but why do I get the feeling if we'd drawn 0-0 or worse still we'd lost then Altidore would have been the whipping boy again for his miss especially but that just shows the fickle nature of SMB I suppose. Can you only be critical on a forum (not to the actual player) when we lose?:

Headers
Good
39:17 flick on
41:56 flick on
43:36 good header
45:08 strong header


Not So Good
7:23 just about flicks it on as he actually misjudges flight of ball, nobody there
13:18 no strength, misjudges flight of ball (got pushed rather than pushing)

21:16 doesn't win header as under it os Mag gets head to ball
27:40 1 Mag wins header while other barges Altidore who simply doesn't jump for it. Other forwards possibly would have attacked the ball and went through the 1st Mag

32:12 hits deck easily under challenge
36:57 doesn't get near ball
38:17 misjudges long ball

44:23 jumped over for header

44:28 jumped over for header (these 2 quick heading chances are laughable as he gets nowhere near heading it as Williamson jumps out jumps his with ease!)
45:31 doesn't challenge for header
49:18 misjudges flight of ball for defensive header
50:08 nowhere near ball as jumps for header
52:14 hits deck easily

63:08 fails to win header
71:10 doesn't win header but gets to Mags headed ball first but gives away free kick
71:49 defensive jump but well under ball (not really a defender though to be fair)
84:22 doesn't challenge header



Tackles/Control
Good
22:27 Fantastic back heel flick
30:28 does very well to get ball to Colback after his 1st touch
37:17 hesitates and also a bad touch hits ball towards Taylor but still got his shot off, albeit tame

39:30 gets free kick after being rugby tackled
49:37 good simple 1 2 with Alonso
52:56 loses possession but probably handball
57:42 good control and strength to hold off Mag and great pass to Ki
59:55 questionable 1st touch but keeps control but then his wide shot hit Borini
61:05 great 1st touch but shot well blocked
76:51 holds up ball to play simple ball to Colback


Not So Good
20:00 loses race to ball
21:23 can't control pass, loses possession, could have flicked to Colback
25:26 lost control under pressure from 2 Mags
35:54 can't control ball well enough so loses it
51:40 loses ball to 2 Mags

53:07 plays ball well behind Johnson when we are on counter
60:56 1st touch lets him down
72:28 can't beat Krul 1 on 1
77:54 holds up ball but then loses it when trying to beat Mag
87:40 beaten by Tiote when block tackling


Good and Not So Good
33:28 does great to beat Debuchy to line but pull back lets him down
35:30 good control from long ball but Taylor kicks it out

Jesus. Wouldn't it have been easier to say he's overpriced, overweight and over here? If anyone's seen the lumbering twat play they don't need reams of bastard stats. He's no better than Kevin bloody Kyle, the plank.
 
Jesus. Wouldn't it have been easier to say he's overpriced, overweight and over here? If anyone's seen the lumbering twat play they don't need reams of bastard stats. He's no better than Kevin bloody Kyle, the plank.

anar you're right but there seems to be a myth that he was a Mag slayer and was faultless with his passing as he dominated the Mags defence when it's so far from the truth when you look at it a little more closely :lol:
 
Go fondle a bovine, you reactionary ill informed git. Can't wait for Dozy to sod off to the MLS which is about his level, ie; lower League One.
I like MLS, entertaining and I don't have to wake up at 5am to see a match. I think MLS would gladly take Jozy back on a cheap transfer or loan.[DOUBLEPOST=1394811090][/DOUBLEPOST]
I'd take Brentford to beat the Florida Fucktards or LA Fo'Shizzle any day of the week.

Uncle Sam my arse. More like Aunty Twat.
You haven't watched a MLS match recently, have you?
 
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