VAR It starts tonight!


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They have multi cameras and all are in sync. All they do is rewind the video forward and back to the point the player is last touching the ball using the various angles. As there's one that is also calibrated for VAR offside then they mark the players and the computer does the rest. It's not to the mm or millisecond but it's far more accurate than even if you filled the whole line with numerous linesman.

The thing is, most offsides normally have the player onside/offside before the ball is played or even touched by the passer so really the distance doesn't matter. The only time it will be really close is when the players are switching onside/offside at that brief millisecond of time which isn't all the time.
Which all just goes to prove, that the talk about being a millimeter offside is still offside is nonsense. How exact do you reckon this is, bow many frames per second from which to choose? And based on the frames per second, how would this mean in centimeters, just for an average situation, for the attacking player?
 
Stirling’s goal was rightly ruled offside with the use of var, cannot complain with that, but if the club gets back to the premiership I will 100 percent not be there, That may be a official he is 1 inch offside right decision, but I am not paying my money towards that shite
I’ve got to agree with this... realistically we’re not gona be back there for at least a minimum of 3 years. I’d like to think that by the time we get back they’d have tried it then fucked it off, if it’s still about then I’ll stop going. The highlight of any day is going balistic in goal celebrations, this is going to breed a crowd that will learn to half heartedly applaud until it’s confirmed it’s a legit goal, then the moments gone.
The days of bodies flying everywhere, grabbing random strangers and ending up 5 rows down upside down with battered shins are gone
 
Which all just goes to prove, that the talk about being a millimeter offside is still offside is nonsense. How exact do you reckon this is, bow many frames per second from which to choose? And based on the frames per second, how would this mean in centimeters, just for an average situation, for the attacking player?
A few mms either way is far better than yards either way due to decision that are assumed by officials yet clearly a mistake upon a quick replay. As I've said, it's rare that a player will move from onside to offside in the few frames they narrow it down to. Most times the player is onside/offside a few frames before and after the ball is touched/played so it's pretty clear what the decision should be no matter how close it is.

If the passing point of defender/attacker changes the exact moment the ball is played then maybe they simply stay with the original decision by on pitch officials if it can't be shown to be incorrect? Or do they just give advantage to the attacker?

The point is, that if the very close decisions are still correctly decided and if they can't be so are left with on pitch officials then surely no manager/player/fan can moan about a decision? Again this is only for the ones where the passing point of defender/attacker changes in the exact frame the ball is played so it won't happen that often to one team during a season. If it does then I guess staying with the on pitch officials decision is fair enough as you may as well flip a coin as it simply cannot be done either by an official or machine.
 
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I’ve got to agree with this... realistically we’re not gona be back there for at least a minimum of 3 years. I’d like to think that by the time we get back they’d have tried it then fucked it off, if it’s still about then I’ll stop going. The highlight of any day is going balistic in goal celebrations, this is going to breed a crowd that will learn to half heartedly applaud until it’s confirmed it’s a legit goal, then the moments gone.
The days of bodies flying everywhere, grabbing random strangers and ending up 5 rows down upside down with battered shins are gone

exactly. the only 'fans' that are in favour of it are total virgins that have never experienced this, or don't find it valuable. to me it is the most important part of going to the match, above '100% correct decisions' in the priority list
 
A few mms either way is far better than yards either way due to decision that are assumed by officials yet clearly a mistake upon a quick replay. As I've said, it's rare that a player will move from onside to offside in the few frames they narrow it down to. Most times the player is onside/offside a few frames before and after the ball is touched/played so it's pretty clear what the decision should be no matter how close it is.

If the passing point of defender/attacker changes the exact moment the ball is played then maybe they simply stay with the original decision by on pitch officials if it can't be shown to be incorrect? Or do they just give advantage to the attacker?

The point is, that if the very close decisions are still correctly decided and if they can't be so are left with on pitch officials then surely no manager/player/fan can moan about a decision? Again this is only for the ones where the passing point of defender/attacker changes in the exact frame the ball is played so it won't happen that often to one team during a season. If it does then I guess staying with the on pitch officials decision is fair enough as you may as well flip a coin as it simply cannot be done either by an official or machine.
I understand your view, I just think you are mistaken. VAR is flawed in attempting or even claiming to be an exact tool. And I'd say I'm not alone in this view
 
VAR should not be used in cup competitions. If every side entering the competition has the facilities for it then fair enough however it shouldn't be used in some games and not others. It's an absolute nonsense
 
Would those who want rid of var, want rid of the goal line var review ?

That’s worked without a murmur of dissent and but for 4mm Liverpool would have won the league last season

The problem presently is that the crowd and the tv audience are not privy to the conversation between the onfield official and the var officials.

That leads to assumptions being made by the crowd and tv commentators. It was the same in cricket when drs came in but in time it is improved and actually adds to the drama of the game and is accepted by all

It’s not going away so people need to get over it.
 
I understand your view, I just think you are mistaken. VAR is flawed in attempting or even claiming to be an exact tool. And I'd say I'm not alone in this view
Aye I've said that elsewhere a few times regarding the potential distance travelled within a frame. Though if the player is offside by a few mms the frame before the ball is even touched and also offside when the pass is made then it's black and white for sure. This issue only happens when a player goes from onside to offside within the 0.03 seconds between the 2 frames which isn't all the time. When it does happen they should look at using the frames around the 'moment of the pass'. A player may be 10cm onside the frame before and 1cm offside the next frame (Sterling for example) so really they should favour the onside decision seeing as the 'moment of the pass' is somewhere between the 2 frames.

The rule is that it's the first contact of the passing player so even if it's more than 1 frame with a slow sweeping pass they use the 1st frame showing contact. They have numerous cameras and they're synced so they use the best view camera to get the 'nearest' frame. They then draw the lines on etc. Problem is that within a frame, in those 0.03 seconds 2 running opposition players can move summit like 20-30cm against each other from onside/offside within the 2 frames! VAR using a single frame for offside is shit for close decisions unless they use 100fps.

What they could do, rather than using mms is to review the frames before and after the supposed contact so that it's got to be at least onside or offside for all those 3 frames. It would be rare that all the frames would be within 1mm so the additional frames can possibly allow some leeway to the decision.

If it's onside the frames before, too close in the middle frames and offside in the 3rd frame then just go with the original on pitch decision. Or if he's a mile onside the frame before, too close the next and a toenail offside the 3rd then give it as onside. Obviously if it's offside the frames before the touch, during and after the touch then the decision is clear.
 
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Personally I’m well up backing pelanties in games that involve var.
 
Would those who want rid of var, want rid of the goal line var review ?

That’s worked without a murmur of dissent and but for 4mm Liverpool would have won the league last season

The problem presently is that the crowd and the tv audience are not privy to the conversation between the onfield official and the var officials.

That leads to assumptions being made by the crowd and tv commentators. It was the same in cricket when drs came in but in time it is improved and actually adds to the drama of the game and is accepted by all

It’s not going away so people need to get over it.
I have, though, gone away that is. I won't attend or watch a match where VAR is an element.
 
I have, though, gone away that is. I won't attend or watch a match where VAR is an element.
The goal line var is perfect. Would you want rid of that as well?

Better hope safc never return to the top flight or cup finals again
 
The goal line var is perfect. Would you want rid of that as well?

Better hope safc never return to the top flight or cup finals again
It's goal line technology, not VAR, ball has crossed the line or not, no argument. Sitting still, warming your hands on your flask making sure there's no extra creases in your tartan blanket while an arm not in a natural position is decided (not attached to the shoulder, presumably), a micrometer is applied for offside or gravity didn't work properly on a flailing leg is not for me.

GOAL!!! Yay, American style whooping...

...ooh, might not be though, BOO!!!

BGT voiceover as we all gaze at the screen.

Dum dum

Dum, dum

Dum, dum,













No goal

Fuck that
 
It's goal line technology, not VAR, ball has crossed the line or not, no argument. Sitting still, warming your hands on your flask making sure there's no extra creases in your tartan blanket while an arm not in a natural position is decided (not attached to the shoulder, presumably), a micrometer is applied for offside or gravity didn't work properly on a flailing leg is not for me.

GOAL!!! Yay, American style whooping...

...ooh, might not be though, BOO!!!

BGT voiceover as we all gaze at the screen.

Dum dum

Dum, dum

Dum, dum,













No goal

Fuck that
So the goal line decision which is 100% correct and universally accepted, should be thrown out?

I’m afraid you better get used to it as there is no way on earth it will be removed.

It’s video assisting the referee to confirm the ball is in or not. Shortened to VAR

People are going out of the way to argue about certain decisions and not mentioned the 90 odd plus % correct decisions which are an improvement
 
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So the goal line decision which is 100% correct and universally accepted, should be thrown out?

I’m afraid you better get used to it as there is no way on earth it will be removed.

It’s video assisting the referee to confirm the ball is in or not. Shortened to VAR
I didn't say that, I've acknowledged goal line technology is good, it's not VAR!!!
 
I didn't say that, I've acknowledged goal line technology is good, it's not VAR!!!
It’s a video generated by a computer to confirm yes or know.

Like all the other decisions.

The % of correct decisions via var has increased

The owners and multi million deals are on the line.

People moan about time taken but say nowt about the 30 mins or so in a game when absolutely nothing is happening

I’m for it, I’ve giving the reasons why time and again. That’s my whack
 
It’s a video generated by a computer to confirm yes or know.

Like all the other decisions.

The % of correct decisions via var has increased

The owners and multi million deals are on the line.

People moan about time taken but say nowt about the 30 mins or so in a game when absolutely nothing is happening

I’m for it, I’ve giving the reasons why time and again. That’s my whack
I thought it was something to do with sensors? Ah well, you live & learn.

%age decisions improved during last World Cup from 92% to 94%, brilliant, worth the reduction in spontaneity. Care not a f***ing jot about owners & millions, care about sport & it's human frailties, me & my mates pitching up for the match, couple of beers, game, walk on.

If the manufactured right decision matters that much, enjoy, I don't, enjoy your "soccer"
 
Aye I've said that elsewhere a few times regarding the potential distance travelled within a frame. Though if the player is offside by a few mms the frame before the ball is even touched and also offside when the pass is made then it's black and white for sure. This issue only happens when a player goes from onside to offside within the 0.03 seconds between the 2 frames which isn't all the time. When it does happen they should look at using the frames around the 'moment of the pass'. A player may be 10cm onside the frame before and 1cm offside the next frame (Sterling for example) so really they should favour the onside decision seeing as the 'moment of the pass' is somewhere between the 2 frames.
That point of view, would require a margin of error to be allowed, which I doubt the mm junkies would take to that, arguing that you would only remove the mm to another point on the field. Which naturally is true. But, now it is the first step to admitting, VAR is flawed, which should be something at least.
Another counterargument is, that the 13 cm established between frames, is by a certain speed. That speed can greatly vary, depending in the player, the angle and the defender's opposite motion. Meaning, there are two options if you want to set a margin of error. Either you have to set up a standard. I believe 13 cm is the equivalent of around 24km/hour. That is not exact for each situation and therefore not precise. Or you could calculate the speed of two lines and thereby the margin for each situation, which would be time consuming.
Either way, I do not see an adept solution to offside and VAR. If you want to keep it, you have to accept one of two evils
 
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