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Is the offside rule implemented when the ball leaves the passing player's foot (after it is played) or when the passing player first makes contact with the ball? With the fine margins that cameras are able to utilise now this will make a difference in some cases but I'm unsure of the ruling on it.
The laws of football don't state, when a pass is a pass. So, there is no rule stating what is the exact moment to use when making the offside decision. Which makes VAR as an exact tool for offsides obselete.
They have multi cameras and all are in sync. All they do is rewind the video forward and back to the point the player is last touching the ball using the various angles. As there's one that is also calibrated for VAR offside then they mark the players and the computer does the rest. It's not to the mm or millisecond but it's far more accurate than even if you filled the whole line with numerous linesman.

The thing is, most offsides normally have the player onside/offside before the ball is played or even touched by the passer so really the distance doesn't matter. The only time it will be really close is when the players are switching onside/offside at that brief millisecond of time which isn't all the time.
 
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As I said at the start of the thread it’s going to be interesting this season, it’s started already and it’s only the second game!! 😁

Who wants to go back to those incompetent big club loving refs making all the decisions!!
 
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I am not saying a human being can control it, but have no idea what that has to do with the fact he was offside!

Nobody is blaming the player, he was either offside or on, if he is on VAR should not give it, if he is off VAR should give it.

Think with respect you missing the point.
I’m not arguing if he was ‘technically offside as measured by a computer” - I’m saying we are measuring things with this technology that the players aren’t capable of controlling themselves which is mad. If it’s supposed to be designed to pick up clear errors then how is that the case with the one picked up here - it couldn’t possibly be a clear and obvious error as neither the player or a referee or a linesman could possibly see it. How this can be defended is beyond me. Anyone who has played the game will know what I’m talking about. Rio Ferdinand is just saying the same thing. It will ruin the game.
 
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I’d be interested to know what % of these var haters were watching maradonas handball in 86 on the telly and everyone viewing on planet Earth was aware it shouldn’t have been allowed but the ref wasn’t?

As above.

That's not what is happening though. You have pointed out the most extreme example of cheating, which everyone knows should have been ruled out by the ref. Fair enough. That's not how it's being used, goals are being ruled out for being 1mm offside, but more importantly its killing the spontaneity and raw emotion of the game. Its bollocks, and always will be. Look at the post match analysis, its 100% about VAR, at what point are they going to talk about the actual match
 
As I said at the start of the thread it’s going to be interesting this season, it’s started already and it’s only the second game!! 😁

Who wants to go back to those incompetent big club loving refs making all the decisions!!
I’d like to keep the game simple, beautiful and human.
That's not what is happening though. You have pointed out the most extreme example of cheating, which everyone knows should have been ruled out by the ref. Fair enough. That's not how it's being used, goals are being ruled out for being 1mm offside, but more importantly its killing the spontaneity and raw emotion of the game. Its bollocks, and always will be. Look at the post match analysis, its 100% about VAR, at what point are they going to talk about the actual match
Spot on. Too many people obsessed with technology to the detriment of what the game is supposed to be about.
 
Gained an advantage by having his armpit offside. This is definitely the intention when the rule was invented.
What if his armpit and an inch? Where do you draw the definite line of being onside/offside? Players will quickly adapt and this will happen less. Some may say well move the definite offside line to make it 'daylight' but then things like freekicks can't be fair as the attacker can just stand directly behind the defender!
 
Was listening the Man City game in the car. Had to turn it off, couldn’t get my head round the idea that it’s difficult to celebrate a goal anymore because there’s a good chance it could be cancelled 2 minutes later. Ruined the game imo
 
There’s no grey area, VAR says it either is or isnt offside
GET USED TO IT YOU f***ing WET BLANKETS
Was listening the Man City game in the car. Had to turn it off, couldn’t get my head round the idea that it’s difficult to celebrate a goal anymore because there’s a good chance it could be cancelled 2 minutes later. Ruined the game imo
I agree this is the downside to it, but it’s a small price to pay to ensure we get correct decisions to ensure fairness to all
 
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I’m not arguing if he was ‘technically offside as measured by a computer” - I’m saying we are measuring things with this technology that the players aren’t capable of controlling themselves which is mad. If it’s supposed to be designed to pick up clear errors then how is that the case with the one picked up here - it couldn’t possibly be a clear and obvious error as neither the player or a referee or a linesman could possibly see it. How this can be defended is beyond me. Anyone who has played the game will know what I’m talking about. Rio Ferdinand is just saying the same thing. It will ruin the game.

Offsides have to be a simple yes or no!

Otherwise where to you draw the line?
 
There’s no grey area, VAR says it either is or isnt offside
GET USED TO IT YOU f***ing WET BLANKETS

I agree this is the downside to it, but it’s a small price to pay to ensure we get correct decisions to ensure fairness to all
Absolute shite! It's a massive price to pay. Game should be about spontaneity & emotion, not computers...
 
I’d like to keep the game simple, beautiful and human.

Spot on. Too many people obsessed with technology to the detriment of what the game is supposed to be about.

Well maybe if fans, players, pundits, press, managers just about everybody accepted that mistakes will always be made by the human eye, and had not for years cricitsed officials for entirely understandable mistakes and at times even abused them, they would have been no need for VAR!

However the constant twisting has meant VAR was inevitable righty or wrongly.
 
Well maybe if fans, players, pundits, press, managers just about everybody accepted that mistakes will always be made by the human eye, and had not for years cricitsed officials for entirely understandable mistakes and at times even abused them, they would have been no need for VAR!

However the constant twisting has meant VAR was inevitable righty or wrongly.
Never inevitable - part of the game. Rio Ferdinand voicing similar concerns about over complicating the game and people drifting away. You’re doing a sterling job sticking up for it but its a step too far for football.
 
Never inevitable - part of the game. Rio Ferdinand voicing similar concerns about over complicating the game and people drifting away. You’re doing a sterling job sticking up for it but its a step too far for football.

Actually a couple of years ago thought the same as you.

But sick of people constantly abusing officials for fair enough mistakes, everybody looking to have a go at officials rather than just accepting their mistakes as part and parcel of the game.

All the evidence of the last few years shows it’s too hard for just the human eye, and we were asking refs to use the same tools they used a 100 years ago! , no other industry does that, never mind a multi billionaire industry.

Whether you or I like it is kind of irrevalant, in the modern world of course it was inevitable!

I totally respect your opinion and personal preference mate, but you might as well get used to it as it’s going no where.
Like the Sterling craic mate😆
 
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Stirling’s goal was rightly ruled offside with the use of var, cannot complain with that, but if the club gets back to the premiership I will 100 percent not be there, That may be a official he is 1 inch offside right decision, but I am not paying my money towards that shite
 
Stirling’s goal was rightly ruled offside with the use of var, cannot complain with that, but if the club gets back to the premiership I will 100 percent not be there, That may be a official he is 1 inch offside right decision, but I am not paying my money towards that shite

Would you go to the FA cup final if your team got there?
 
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