VAR is going to ruin football

[Deleted member 6694]

I prefer a fast paced game. That's what football is. Use var to eradicate clear and obvious errors. Not to rule someone offside cos they didn't cut their toe nails before the game or for a penalty to be retaken cos the keeper is 2 cm's off the line.

Fast paced game? You do know the ball is only in play for 30 odd minutes. Have you seen how long some throw ins, corners and goal kicks actually take while watching live at the match? It can be 15 seconds but sometimes up to 40 odd seconds maybe more if the players get the handbags out. You sometimes don't notice it if you're chatting to your mate sitting beside you about something that just happened. You also don't notice it on TV as they just show replays and when they've got nowt to show they should super slow motion close up replays of players faces and expressions!

You say 2cm so if it was us and our penna was saved but the keeper came 2cm off the line, would you not want it retaken if it meant us beating the Mags or England winning the World Cup? If you want to allow 2cm then when do you 'draw the line' as to the keeper coming out too far? 5cm? What if it's just another 1cm at 6cm for another penna, should they allow that as it's only 10 more millimetres than the one they allowed before?

The simple solution is to use the line that has been there for over 100 years and enforce the rules now they have the technology to assist (in fact replace) the on pitch officials. The rule was there before and had been acted upon but it's f***ing impossible for the officials to see whether a keeper comes off the line at the exact moment the ball is hit so why leave it to chance and guesswork? That is also trying to watch for any encroachment of numerous players and possible stuttering by the taker?

 

[I'm Spartacus]

Fortunately, I imagine your overblown opinion won't count.

I guarantee it won’t count and I don’t care. I’ll only be watching lower league games that aren’t using it. I’ll leave wanking over refs looking at screens to sad twats who demand 100% accuracy no matter the cost.

 

[RichB]

VAR isn't the issue with this one. It's the stupid goalkeepers can't move rule that FIFA have dreamt up. It's bollocks. You're throwing yourself to the floor, your momentum takes you forward. The arseholes in charge live in cloud-cuckoo land. Convinced they see all pro footballers as robots. Clueless.

Completely agree

They should bring in a rule that as soon as the penalty taker starts to move the keeper can move anywhere
Would stop the stupid knackers trotting up like show ponies as the keeper could charge out and hoof the ball away if that happened

 

[thecloughywobble]

I guarantee it won’t count and I don’t care. I’ll only be watching lower league games that aren’t using it. I’ll leave wanking over refs looking at screens to sad twats who demand 100% accuracy no matter the cost.

Ha ha, fair enough, mate. Sounds like you've been having a sneaky watch once or twice, at least. Ye'll gan blind, man, a tell thi'.

 

[Deleted member 6694]

The tackle happened around 85 mins and the pen was finally settled at 90+4

A kick up the arse off 10 minutes on 1 decision man. I’d rather be robbed a few times a season with shit decisions than watch a ref look at a bastard screen for half the match. They can shove it up their f***ing hoop.

BBC iPlayer - FIFA Womens World Cup - 2019: Scotland v Argentina

The foul happened at 85:50 match time (2:12:12 in the video) and the penna given at 88:57 due to the stupid fact the ref has to watch it on the sidelines so there's over 2 minutes wasted straight away. It shouldn't take long as it should be a clear decision given like it would live, not slowed down to the frame by frame shite of numerous angles.

You could see it was a penna within a couple replays so why do they take so f***ing long as 20-30 seconds should do at most. Are they just checking a bit longer as it's still new but in time it will be quicker? Were cricket and rubgy and other sports with VAR slow to begin with?

The link above has the penna eventually taken at 91:22 due to players bitching on a minute and a half and the ref having to get players ready for the penna. At 89:40 the ref even spent 30 odd seconds explaining to the Scottish keeper to stay on the line FFS!

The 2nd penna was eventually scored at 93:18 so 7 mins 28 seconds later. How long does a normal penna take, a few minutes usually but then if you add in a retake and a bit bitching inbetween?

They seriously need to get rid of the ref checking the video as they will never go against the numerous VARs anyway. Also as soon as it's a penna being ready to be taken any player in the box apart from the kicker and keeper should be booked immediately and any bitching/moaning also means getting booked! They could have it all sorted within a couple of minutes but they just let players moan and piss about too much.

 

[TwasOnTheFifthOfMay]

You think checking every throw-in, goal kick and corner is absurd. The only difference between us is that I think giving VAR as much use as we do now is absurd.

So to sum up, we're both willing to live with incorrect decisions as long as it means the game is all the better for it.

We're using it to determine whether a goal that has just been scored was valid, or whether a team should have a chance from a penalty, so there is a clear immediate direct material affect on the outcome of a game 100% of the time.

And you're comparing that to deciding whether a throw in on the half way line, which 99.99% of the time doesn't lead to anything, should go one way or the other. And before you say it, no, the other 0.01% doesn't justify spending 3 minutes looking at VAR every time, because there would be many other random events necessary before any attempt at scoring is possible.

You say 2cm so if it was us and our penna was saved but the keeper came 2cm off the line, would you not want it retaken if it meant us beating the Mags or England winning the World Cup? If you want to allow 2cm then when do you 'draw the line' as to the keeper coming out too far? 5cm? What if it's just another 1cm at 6cm for another penna, should they allow that as it's only 10 more millimetres than the one they allowed before?

The simple solution is to use the line that has been there for over 100 years and enforce the rules now they have the technology to assist (in fact replace) the on pitch officials. The rule was there before and had been acted upon but it's f***ing impossible for the officials to see whether a keeper comes off the line at the exact moment the ball is hit so why leave it to chance and guesswork? That is also trying to watch for any encroachment of numerous players and possible stuttering by the taker?

It's amazing how many people think that just being a bit over the line should be allowed. Can't seem to grasp the concept that rules are what allows the game to be played at all.

 

[scott934]

We're using it to determine whether a goal that has just been scored was valid, or whether a team should have a chance from a penalty, so there is a clear immediate direct material affect on the outcome of a game 100% of the time.

And you're comparing that to deciding whether a throw in on the half way line, which 99.99% of the time doesn't lead to anything, should go one way or the other. And before you say it, no, the other 0.01% doesn't justify spending 3 minutes looking at VAR every time, because there would be many other random events necessary before any attempt at scoring is possible.

Ok what about whether someone should be given a free kick on the edge of the box? Or whether it's a corner or goal kick? Two common goal scoring positions.

What about if there's a goal scored that's perfectly legitimate except for the fact that they won the ball clearly illegally 30 seconds before it's scored. Should you go back and give the free kick?

 

[HMB Mackem]

BBC iPlayer - FIFA Womens World Cup - 2019: Scotland v Argentina

The foul happened at 85:50 match time (2:12:12 in the video) and the penna given at 88:57 due to the stupid fact the ref has to watch it on the sidelines so there's over 2 minutes wasted straight away. It shouldn't take long as it should be a clear decision given like it would live, not slowed down to the frame by frame shite of numerous angles.
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After the penalty was scored the ref played 2 minutes then blew for time. There should have been 8 minute left to play. Four minutes of regular time and 4 minutes of added time. She effectively cut the game by 6 minutes.

 

[I'm Spartacus]

We're using it to determine whether a goal that has just been scored was valid, or whether a team should have a chance from a penalty, so there is a clear immediate direct material affect on the outcome of a game 100% of the time.

And you're comparing that to deciding whether a throw in on the half way line, which 99.99% of the time doesn't lead to anything, should go one way or the other. And before you say it, no, the other 0.01% doesn't justify spending 3 minutes looking at VAR every time, because there would be many other random events necessary before any attempt at scoring is possible.


It's amazing how many people think that just being a bit over the line should be allowed. Can't seem to grasp the concept that rules are what allows the game to be played at all.

There’s loads of goals scored after a clear foul on the team that concedes but were missed by the officials. .how far should they go back to check? a minute, two minutes or from when the ball was last out of play. Every decision is crucial because it ultimately has an impact on the end result. If you’re demanding spot kicks retaken for keepers being inches off the line then the whole build up to every goal should be scrutinised to ensure it’s 100% legit.

 

[Deleted member 6694]

After the penalty was scored the ref played 2 minutes then blew for time. There should have been 8 minute left to play. Four minutes of regular time and 4 minutes of added time. She effectively cut the game by 6 minutes.

She had a mare as I posted this and other stuff about her just this minute here. It was less than 1 minute 30 seconds of play after the VAR fiasco when she blew for full time!

The FIFA Women's World Cup 2019: Haway the Lasses

 

[Mainze]

Makes me less inclined to watch it, adios Sky.

 

[HellsBells]

Well it is, because it you were 3cm inside the defender would be slightly in front of you. Anyway, if you're offside and attempt to play the ball it's a free kick to the defending team. If it was against us we'd all be screaming for it.

But that will have definitely happened before - someone will have been 3cm offside and scored. And we didn’t all scream for it because we couldn’t bloody see it with the naked eye. Even replays wouldn’t have given us a definitive answer. So we just got on with it.

And we’ll have scored in the past after being 3cm offside.

No one gains an advantage from being 3cm offside.

 

[Superchamps]

But that will have definitely happened before - someone will have been 3cm offside and scored. And we didn’t all scream for it because we couldn’t bloody see it with the naked eye. Even replays wouldn’t have given us a definitive answer. So we just got on with it.

And we’ll have scored in the past after being 3cm offside.

No one gains an advantage from being 3cm offside.

It’s the forensic and clinical nature of the decisions which are spoiling it.

 

[soapster]

If that's what's going to happen it's already gone. Its bullshit. How is any keeper meant to save a pen?

And that decision to play an extra 2 minutes when the VAR decision took 7 minutes is an even bigger joke.

I wonder which country it has benefited neither of them teams going through.

I hate to say it, but officials following an alleged agenda.

2 standards of refereeing going on and ive said this before. in uk hand must move towards the ball or if the player is trying to benefit my making themselves larger by arms in an unnatural position.
rest of the world if ball bounces up and hits hand foul

and I suggest that if it took 7 minutes to reach a decision they were looking as hard as they could for a specific decision. the fact the time used was not played in real time is a disgrace.
all those officials involved should be sent home and never allowed to officiate again.

As far as I'm aware it has always been the law that the keeper is supposed to stay on his/her line until the ball is kicked. Hundreds of times previously they have shown replays of saves and said it should have been retaken because the keeper has moved forward, but the referees have almost always let it go.

Now the players are going to have to learn how to play by the laws of the game or they are going to get punished, and as it's VAR it's not going to depend on a referee deciding to enforce it.

Whether you are an inch or a yard in front of the line is irrelevant, it is trying to gain an advantage. A penalty is supposed to be a virtually certain goal because of a foul a few yards from goal.

have to take into account we are human beings not robots. football is tying itself up in knots trying to be so clinical

 

[hudson88]

I did like the idea of VAR when it was 1st suggested for certain things, but it’s execution is absolutely shite and I’d rather see mistakes occur than this shit show every game.

 

[The Shepherd]

VAR is shit....you take the rough with the smooth and move on. Keep the passion, excitement and emotion in the game.

 

[6inarow]

Another FIFA directive which is ruining the game, I believe that VAR will be gone as soon as it comes in, There is no grey areas with goal line technology which is what was needed but VAR is more trouble than its worth and still up to interptatation on many desicions, its terrible

 

[SAFC11]

Idea is fine, application of it is terrible especially by the referees

 

[I'm Spartacus]

But that will have definitely happened before - someone will have been 3cm offside and scored. And we didn’t all scream for it because we couldn’t bloody see it with the naked eye. Even replays wouldn’t have given us a definitive answer. So we just got on with it.

And we’ll have scored in the past after being 3cm offside.

No one gains an advantage from being 3cm offside.

I can’t see how any fan who attends could be in favour of it, You’re going to be fucked over by being a nano meter offside just as much as it’s going to benefit you. once you get var disallowing goals after lengthy celebrations a few times it will most likely mute them while you’re waiting to see if the forwards bellend wasn’t offside in the build up, it’s f***ing shit.

Also players drawing that imaginary telly whilst having a massive tantrum is yet another thing which will make me hate them more.

 

[soapster]

I can’t see how any fan who attends could be in favour of it, You’re going to be fucked over by being a nano meter offside just as much as it’s going to benefit you. once you get var disallowing goals after lengthy celebrations a few times it will most likely mute them while you’re waiting to see if the forwards bellend wasn’t offside in the build up, it’s f***ing shit.

Also players drawing that imaginary telly whilst having a massive tantrum is yet another thing which will make me hate them more.

remember the days of arguments about it being factual or decision making and clear and obvious.

we have moved so far from that

if it takes 7 minutes to establish something, when an official has a split second, then we have so far from what it was decided to be