Gelan
Winger
There's seven and a half billion people on this planet that may not agree with you...always play the percentages
Vaccinating 40 year olds instead of teachers Phase 2 order
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There's seven and a half billion people on this planet that may not agree with you...always play the percentages
But like I said on the other thread a we literally used to vaccinate kids IN schools. How hard can it be to do that with teachers?
Hull_Mackem
Striker
We can agree to disagree. In the case of police and teachers I don't think it will be an admin burden at all. Certainly no more than other occupations who HAVE been prioritised. Obviously that changes if you talk of other occupantions such as factories or supermarkets.
And there is the other secondary benefit from vaccinating police officers - they could easily in one day visit five or more houses, a hospital and a supermarket. They are potentially vectors of transmission unwittingly.
Anyway, done now. In terms of numbers the vaccine roll out is going well so we can applaud that.
Age is still the biggest risk factor for severe complications, ahead of profession. So a 42 year old office worker is still more likely to die from C-19 or be hospitalised than a 34 year old teacher.
I get that. But how much more likely?
And why are we (at this stage) still only looking at a single factor (ie likelihood of death) rather than likelihood of transmission?
Steak Pie
Striker
But we weren't vaccinating millions of kids in a few weeks.
If you take the resources from school to school instead of at one focused centre, you severely cut the number of jabs you can do. From a logistical pint of view it's much more efficient, exponentially so.
Same if you want to get an occupational check at the vaccine centres, it's a resource drain we can do without.
It's imperfect, but not much we can do about it with the resources available.
Harry Angstrom
Striker
It's a matter of a couple of months. The transmission will be much less soon enough. The risk is very small for the potential gain.
Unless, you reckon this is a political decision to spite Starmer or the Unions, I cannot see a problem with it.
I think they had a chart up that showed severe complications by age range and each age range is roughly twice as likely as the previous age range to get complications. I didn’t really study it in depth. I would have said that their main aim is to stop hospitalisation and death as much as possible, rather than reduce transmission amongst a population with the least likelihood of getting complications anyway. They have finite resources and they are, rightly or wrongly (rightly in my opinion), prioritising the people statistically most vulnerable and the capacity of hospitals over everything else.
No I don’t think it’s a political decision. I use find it curious and wondered if there was any science behind it.
Hull_Mackem
Striker
I do not agree with this at all.
The country already has a list of teachers and police. Otherwise how do they know who to pay from the public purse!
Also disingenuous to say only a few days. Could be 8-10 weeks difference for many
Harry Angstrom
Striker
Risk v reward, I would have thought. Any special arrangements will be time consuming and slow the process down. Also, whilst this is happening the second vaccine needs administering.
DaveH
Striker
That was for doing kids though, not staff. Hundreds of kids and staff makes it worth while setting up a school visit. Just staff means it probably is not.
seahamstar
Striker
Yes but surely once you start prioritising CERTAIN professions, people from other professions would expect the same.
Don't see why police officers , teachers etc should be prioritised ahead of shop workers etc.
i would have thought that the occupations that HAVE been prioritised are people that are coming into direct contact with people KNOWN to have the virus - ie: health workers.
To me, doing it MAINLY by age is the most simple way - they can (hopefully) make sure no-one gets missed out , and the most vunerable (age wise) are getting vaccinated first.
Sir Lancelot
Striker
Why would you waste time setting up a vaccination centre in a school for one day for a handful of people? It would be a waste of resources.
Look they don’t want to do it so it’s pointless whinging on about it. They just have to wait for their turn. End of.
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Sir Lancelot
Striker
Because that is the whole point of the vaccine - to reduce the number of deaths.
You can’t have people crying over 100,000 deaths on one hand and then leave people who are more likely to die than teachers unvaccinated for the sake of teachers. It doesn’t make sense to vaccinate teachers before older people.
ARs biscuit
Midfield
Is a 30-40year old teacher more/less at risk than a 60 year old supermarket worker or bus driver?
A high number of contacts from all age groups per day.
A high number of contacts from all age groups per day.
Brian Griffin
Striker
Police > Prison Officers > Security Guards > Bouncers
Ciro_DiMarzio
Winger
She was told to expect a phone call and was told to accept the appointment even if it was in work time so she was under the impression that she would get the call for a short notice appointment where there were spare vaccines that would go to waste but when she got the call it was to book for a few days later. All her shift have had them now.
Shieldsman
Striker
Not sure where you've got that 8k figure from mate. There are over half a million full-time teachers in the UK.
Education and training statistics for the UK, Reporting Year 2020 – Explore education statistics – GOV.UK (explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk)
