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fyl2u

Striker
Nurse who loved me. Might be the other way round like but they’ve both recorded it
Yeah just saw it on the Wiki page. The guy that was in both Failure and APC played on a few tracks on that same album but interestingly not on that cover.
 

conrad

Midfield
Guitarist from Queens of the Stone Age was in both Failure and the original Perfect Circle line up.
Yeah but Troy had nowt to do with the writing in perfect circle, said that’s why he left for queens. Although it probably explains the cover :lol:
 

fyl2u

Striker
While on the subject of APC and covers, their version of Imagine is awesome. A very different slant on it. It's like the anti-Imagine. Cynical and desperate rather than optimistic and idealistic.

 

conrad

Midfield


Yeah just saw it on the Wiki page. The guy that was in both Failure and APC played on a few tracks on that same album but interestingly not on that cover.
I’ve just clicked that failure did a cover of enjoy the silence, one of my favourite songs to train to :lol:
 

fyl2u

Striker
While us Tool fans are sitting ,anyone heard these !!
I love Tricot! Can't believe anyone else on the SMB has even heard of them!

If you like them, try LITE too.


You tube stuff can be woeful quality wise and as much as i think some of their stuff is some of the best my ears have heard i skip others.Sometimes i've totally got a song of theirs then its missed the other 9 times .To me that says there's massive amounts of complexity and depth to it and you have to pick your moment i think .I hate prog rock,perhaps this is prog rock but there's no lost worlds and capes and gardens of evermore etc so i've missed the connection.You're correct it has no sing a longs or hooks or rarely anyway ,thats why i hate musicals . They're fairly niche and no ones saying otherwise
Incidentally, I really dislike this generalisation that all prog rock is capes and elves. That sort of stuff really is a very small segment of prog rock (and non-prog rock), and isn't representative of the genre as a whole.

Tool is definitely a type of progressive rock in that their music is a type of rock that is progressive, i.e. not repetitive.

I've had this conversation on here before and the conclusion that I came to was that the definition has changed over the years but as far as I'm concerned the term "progressive" literally means that the music progresses rather than repeats the defining motifs in the exact same way every time you hear them. I.E. it's not just "standard" song structure of verse-bridge-chorus-verse-bridge-chorus-middle8-(optional verse/bridge)-chorus-end, it instead takes more influence from classical music composition techniques.
 
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JAZZMANB

Striker
I love Tricot! Can't believe anyone else on the SMB has even heard of them!

If you like them, try LITE too.




Incidentally, I really dislike this generalisation that all prog rock is capes and elves. That sort of stuff really is a very small segment of prog rock (and non-prog rock), and isn't representative of the genre as a whole.

Tool is definitely a type of progressive rock in that their music is a type of rock that is progressive, i.e. not repetitive.

I've had this conversation on here before and the conclusion that I came to was that the definition has changed over the years but as far as I'm concerned the term "progressive" literally means that the music progresses rather than repeats the defining motifs in the exact same way every time you hear them. I.E. it's not just "standard" song structure of verse-bridge-chorus-verse-bridge-chorus-middle8-(optional verse/bridge)-chorus-end, it instead takes more influence from classical music composition techniques.
Yeah ,you've had it with me ,I disagree with your interpretation of Prog rock and really if you talk genre you talk generalisation. Discipline by King crimson is repetitive but would be appear to be prog or who knows what
 

fyl2u

Striker
Yeah ,you've had it with me ,I disagree with your interpretation of Prog rock and really if you talk genre you talk generalisation. Discipline by King crimson is repetitive but would be appear to be prog or who knows what
Yeah, this is the problem. I think the idea of "genre" is at best unhelpful to potential listeners. It's surely better to put such ideas aside and judge each artist for their own merits rather than prejudging them by the genre within which they supposedly exist.
 

JAZZMANB

Striker
Yeah, this is the problem. I think the idea of "genre" is at best unhelpful to potential listeners. It's surely better to put such ideas aside and judge each artist for their own merits rather than prejudging them by the genre within which they supposedly exist.
Think we do as in us but many don't ,it helps find potential listeners i suppose.Even the Youtube "next" feature has brought up some gems for me so can't complain .I don't like any other metal type band other than Tool.In saying that i don't think they sound like anybody .I heard Aenema and that was it.
 

mickb2112

Winger
I strongly recommend that you check out Lotus by Soen which is out on 1st February. I received an advance copy to review and it is stunning. It features the drummer from Opeth/Amon Amarth and bassist from Testament. It`s dark, heavy, atmospheric, beautiful and so melodic.
 

fyl2u

Striker
After all this time waiting for it, I bet it's shit and I end up being more disappointed than I have ever been of any album I've been excited about being released in my whole life. :lol:

I really hope it's more Lateralus and less 10000 Days. : prayingtothegodsofROCKsmiley :
 

Steak Pie

Striker
After all this time waiting for it, I bet it's shit and I end up being more disappointed than I have ever been of any album I've been excited about being released in my whole life. :lol:

I really hope it's more Lateralus and less 10000 Days. : prayingtothegodsofROCKsmiley :
There is that fear like. :lol:

11 years between albums doesn't usually end well. And even though they never officially split up, 8 years without working together is the same in all but name.
 

Morse

Striker
I’ve really tried to get into Lateralus as a starting point, but I just can’t. The musicianship is beyond question, but it’s just too heavy for my tastes. It’s not awful, just not something I’d personally want to listen to.

I can’t be arsed with difficult music though.
You should check out some other bands in the Prog category, it might change your view of it being ‘self indulgent wankery’!

It’s a huge genre covering every musical influence you can think of. My personal favourite is Arena, their stuff has just the right balance of keyboards and guitars, and Clive Nolan is a genius. Very melodic stuff.
 
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