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The fact that it singles out one (super rich banking) family is exactly relevant in the context (taking over banks).

What you’re doing is reading between the lines as there is isn’t anything broadly anti-Semitic (talking about all Jews) in the comment.

Are the Rothschilds beyond reproach? How could he have phrased it differently to not be perceived as anti-Semitic?

Simply not mentioned them. A comment doesn't have to be broad to qualify as anti-Semitic. The trope of greedy Jewish bankers is almost as old as anti-Semitism itself, and the Rothschilds are normally singled out as exemplars. Pope's only possible defence is ignorance, and even that's pretty thin.
 
Don’t get what’s wrong with it, but what a stupid and pointless thing for someone in the public eye to post to begin with. Must know there’d be some fallout heading your way for comments like that
 
I don't see any Antisemitism in that at all. The Rothschild family own or run most banking systems anyway do they not? Isn't he merely saying Capitalism will always prevail over ideology?
 
I don't see any Antisemitism in that at all. The Rothschild family own or run most banking systems anyway do they not? Isn't he merely saying Capitalism will always prevail over ideology?

You've fallen into the trap. Put simply, they don't. They aren't even part of the American Federal Reserve (another false accusation often thrown at them). They've been significant, yes, but no more so than other investment banks.
 
You've fallen into the trap. Put simply, they don't. They aren't even part of the American Federal Reserve (another false accusation often thrown at them). They've been significant, yes, but no more so than other investment banks.

Fair enough mate but I still don't see the antisemitism in it. If he's unsaid Jews would own all the banks that would be very much so but it appears a common misconception (on my part also) that they have more involvement in more institutions than they do.
 
Fair enough mate but I still don't see the antisemitism in it. If he's unsaid Jews would own all the banks that would be very much so but it appears a common misconception (on my part also) that they have more involvement in more institutions than they do.

As I've said in other posts, it's a long-standing anti-Semitic trope. They're held up as exemplars of the supposed malign influence of Jews on international finance. There's a link to an article on the history of it higher up the thread.
 
Simply not mentioned them. A comment doesn't have to be broad to qualify as anti-Semitic. The trope of greedy Jewish bankers is almost as old as anti-Semitism itself, and the Rothschilds are normally singled out as exemplars. Pope's only possible defence is ignorance, and even that's pretty thin.
It’s an interesting one.

If you want to use the Rothchilds, for instance, as an example of a very powerful, controlling force in banking, irrespective of their religious affiliation, how can you do it without being accused of anti-semitism?

At best it seems like stifling debate, at worst an attempt to avoid scrutiny.
 
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It’s an interesting one.

If you want to use the Rothchilds, for instance, as an example of a very powerful, controlling force in banking, irrespective of their religious affiliation, how can you do it without being accused of anti-semitism?

At best it seems like stifling debate, at worst an attempt to avoid scrutiny.

You name another bank, not Jewish-owned in the same context. The problem is that they've been unfortunate to be singled out since the early nineteenth century; this has led to them being seen as a sterotypical Jewish banker, rather than simply as bankers. In other words, their religion has become more of an identifier than their business. It's worth remembering that then, and for most of this last century, anti-Semitism was more or less acceptable. Much like racism in Britain until about 40 years ago.
 
You name another bank, not Jewish-owned in the same context. The problem is that they've been unfortunate to be singled out since the early nineteenth century; this has led to them being seen as a sterotypical Jewish banker, rather than simply as bankers. In other words, their religion has become more of an identifier than their business. It's worth remembering that then, and for most of this last century, anti-Semitism was more or less acceptable. Much like racism in Britain until about 40 years ago.
So when can you mention the Rothschilds in a debate on banking then?

I abhore racism and prejudice in all its forms, but surely you can see my point that it could potentially be used as a means to avoid unwanted scrutiny. Simply play the race card, talk about someone else not us... Israel and political Zionism for example.
 
So when can you mention the Rothschilds in a debate on banking then?

I abhore racism and prejudice in all its forms, but surely you can see my point that it could potentially be used as a means to avoid unwanted scrutiny. Simply play the race card, talk about someone else not us... Israel and political Zionism for example.

You simply have to give adequate context. In modern banking, there are far more egregious offenders than the Rothschilds; they're pretty clean as bankers go.
 
So when can you mention the Rothschilds in a debate on banking then?

I abhore racism and prejudice in all its forms, but surely you can see my point that it could potentially be used as a means to avoid unwanted scrutiny. Simply play the race card, talk about someone else not us... Israel and political Zionism for example.
You can't mention the Rothschilds when you go into the minutiae of their actual involvement within the banking sector.

What Pope did was brought into the conspiracy theory that the Rothschilds own all but a handful of the world's banks. And that they use their influence to convince the US government to invade the countries where they are not involved so they can, in turn, take over those banks as well. Which is completely false alt-right propaganda. The problem is there is far more misinformation out there regarding the Rothschilds than fact. What Pope did was brought into the misinformation as fact not realising its routeing as an anti-semitic trope.
 
It's hardly Anti-Jewish though? There is nothing critical or offensive in his comments.
It's saying that they are puppet masters, decreeing a war that would kill hundreds of thousands of people. Purely for their own financial gain.

Hardly a flattering perspective on someones character.
 
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