Toivonen return


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How have I blocked people searching my posts? Rocky pulled me up for my ranieri assessment other week. Rightly so as well! :lol:
You see we all make mistakes but I'm quite happy to accept mine whereas you wriggle about trying to get out of yours. Don't see why either as this isn't crown court. Nothing bads going to happen if you get something wrong on the SMB ya know! :lol:

I'm wriggling out of nothing, no one but you seems to care ....... and I couldn't care less what you think.

You've 'made your point' so move along and let people discuss the thread, there's a good lad.
 
It was Villa, I was there and he seemed to be just what we needed in midfield ...
.... putting his foot in, holding the ball, seeing a pass quickly and winning headers. Everyone around us were well impressed so I'd say he does have the talent but can't understand why he can't utilise it. Perhaps he's sulking because Advocaat left but that's doing us no good now.
I thought he looked good against Spurs too, but yes you are probably right
 
Surely we could send him back and arrange to still pay the remainder of his wages. Then ask another team to take him on loan with no fees or wages (as paid by us) just to get him off our loan books and out of Rennes!? Surely some team would take him for fuck all??
 
I must admit after the Spurs game i thought he would be fantastic for us- his performance was even highlighted on Match of the Day.

However he has been absolutely garbage for us and doesnt warrant a squad number for us never mind a place on the bench in the second half of the season.
 
Even better is that we have made it public to Toivonen that we dont want him, but will probably have to keep him, his desire and motivation will be even worse than it is now.... (probably due to collect the best part of £1m wages during all this too) :lol::lol::lol:
Was thinking along similar lines. If we can't send him back then this aint gonna do much for the lad's confidence or motivation & we'll be stuck with an even bigger plank until the end of the season
 
Sometimes we look like complete asses as a football club. The administration is appalling. We obviously signed him on a 1 year deal without an option to return and our name will be mud
Aye there's too much for it to be all other clubs being dicks we obviously act like complete f***ing amateurs when dealing with transfers.
 
Sometimes we look like complete asses as a football club. The administration is appalling. We obviously signed him on a 1 year deal without an option to return and our name will be mud
Yet some still can't see it. We are a f***ing shambles at boardroom level.
 
Looked good in his first game (Spurs?) but has been awful ever since - no pace and offers nothing in the team

We would have lost at home to the mags if he hadn't gone off injured,we only started playing when Defoe came on for him,he's not even a championship player.
 
In fairness to the club, non of us now how the negotiations go, you are assuming we just forgot to put in a clause about sending him back.

Wouldnt be that shocked if we tried to put an option in but Rennes said no, full year or nothing.
Club asked Advocaat, do you really want him as we wont be able to return him.
Advocaat said yes i really want him.

The return option only looks poor because he is shit. If we'd both agreed that he could be returned/recalled had started the season on fire and scored a few goals and the Rennes decided to recall him, we'd all be up in arms saying the club is shit for not locking him down to full year.
How much more proof do your require to show how shit we are at transfers?. We put crocks on high wages, we put shit players on contracts their talent doesn't warrant, we've had one real left back for about five years, inter hate us over a deal the French club was saying they were taking the kone deal to Fifa, we get Inge run around us in transfers we stumble over the line with deals that take a rucking age to do, we rarely if ever come out of a window having brought in plan a, we are simply shit at it and it's the people short has running the day to day of he club that are simply out of their league.
 
I've no idea what Short gets from owning the club ........ none whatsoever.

He's insulted, ridiculed and gets little reflected glory ...... he certainly doesn't need the money does he?
What does Ashley get apart from some ads for his stores, he's put in way more than short has yet gets shit short hasn't even dreamed of.
 
I've no idea what Short gets from owning the club ........ none whatsoever.

He's insulted, ridiculed and gets little reflected glory ...... he certainly doesn't need the money does he?

No, I think he is probably as frustrated as us by our lack of success, and I think we have been very lucky to have him.

He has taken good care of the club imo, safe pair of hands.

The layers below him are the probelm.
 
What does Ashley get apart from some ads for his stores, he's put in way more than short has yet gets shit short hasn't even dreamed of.

I can't comment as I don't know the figures .......... let me have them and then I won't just be guessing.
 
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