To be 'liberal'

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Voted out = Clearly lead astray, brainwashed, no way could have came to that conclusion if properly educated

It became a bad thing when they started claiming intellectual superiority between themselves, and can't speak/write without being a smug arsehole and sniffing their own farts.
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It's an annoying Americanism where it's liberal vs conservative.

Traditionally in the UK it's been socialist vs conservative.

People associate "liberals" with having certain economic views - they don't - you can be a liberal from anywhere from a libertarian socialist / leftist anarchist through the centre ground to a anarcho-capitalist. You can also be authoritarian through those positions - Stalinist to some of the Oligarchs to Fascists.

Liberalism deserves some criticisms but I f***ing hate the way the word is being hijacked. If you think someone is a left wing, peace loving, sandal wearing hippy then call them that. Don't use the word liberal because it's just misplaced.
 
thats true however its the same as 'liberals':

e.g,
im a liberal but if you say or write something i dont agree with i want you fired, jailed or punished in some way
im a liberal but il stand alongside blatant homophobes and mysoginists because they are part of minority groups
im a liberal and an atheist but Christianity is the only religion i will rant negatively about
im a liberal but if a vote goes the way i disagree with i think the gloves are off and any means should be taken to disrupt the government
im a liberal but i will justify any deadly attack on western nation to suit myself and stick to my narrative
etc

id say im pretty liberal, but not in a way the self proclaimed 'liberals or lefties' are.

Not for me like..

im a liberal but if you say or write something i dont agree with i want you fired, jailed or punished in some way - I support freedom of expression as long as it doesn't incite violence or hatred.
im a liberal but il stand alongside blatant homophobes and mysoginists because they are part of minority groups - I don't stand alongside anyone who discriminates.
im a liberal and an atheist but Christianity is the only religion i will rant negatively about - I dislike all religions equally
im a liberal but if a vote goes the way i disagree with i think the gloves are off and any means should be taken to disrupt the government - I think you refer to brexit, and yes I will still support remaining, just as those who wanted to leave would still have supported leaving if they'd lost. The point about disruption, I think refers to the legal challenge, which is ironic as the Brexit vote was about returning power to parliment and then pro-leave people were outraged when we wanted parliment to decide rather than 1 unelected PM.
im a liberal but i will justify any deadly attack on western nation to suit myself and stick to my narrative - I would never justify any attack, but we are naive if we think that what is happening in Palestine doesn't affect us.

Liberals are those who can't understand why open immigration drives down wages and takes advantage of the immigrants, as well as the working classes, they just want to label everyone who disagrees a racist. Liberals are the reason we've never had a reasoned debate about Islam in this country, and why people were terrified to speak out about abuse in Rotherham et al.
That's why we have a minimum wage, and pretty much all economists agree that free trade is better for all nations. Creating a closed labour market in this country makes us less competitive. Protectionism have been tried in many countries before and fails.
 
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Voted out = Clearly lead astray, brainwashed, no way could have came to that conclusion if properly educated

It became a bad thing when they started claiming intellectual superiority between themselves, and can't speak/write without being a smug arsehole and sniffing their own farts.
It's more that we cannot understand or figure out the logic of those who voted out. It just looks like low brow tribalism and I've yet to hear an argument to the contrary.
 
I really don't know what the fuck I am.
I believe in giving refuge to people who are at risk of losing there lives in their homelands but I don't believe in an open boarder policy.
I believe in allowing immigration to fill the big labour holes in our jobs markets but I don't believe in continuously giving hand outs to generations of social spongers many of whom are white.
I believe in the death penalty for terrorists, murderers, serial rapists and the like. I also believe in giving people a fair trial.
I believe huge corporations should be banned from selling their products if they don't pay their fair share in tax.
I believe rich people who avoid paying their fair share in tax should be prosecuted on equal level as people who fleece the system of benefits.
I don't believe in god. I do believe religion continues to hold back humanitarianism ( in general).
I believe Islamic extremists and far right extremists are all scum and the world would be a better place without them.
I believe our security services should be doing more to eliminate these threats which means contradicting all of sentence 4.
I like many am a complex person with different beliefs but we will all label each other one way or another to feel superior in our opinions.
 

You're laughing, but they're not.

They're often voices by people who may well be racist, but the actual points themselves aren't racist.

"British jobs for British workers" isn't inherently racist. I know some wouldn't have it this way but the reality is the world is divided into states with clearly defined borders and each state has it's own government and those governments have a duty of care to their own citizens first before anyone else.
 
No, but most muslims are of a different race, hence its indirect discrimination.


But your quite happy to have English signs in Spanish airports and foreign doctors?

Simply untrue and yet again desperate to label someone with opposing views as racist.

Predominantly Muslim states are present all over Africa, the Middle East, South East Asia, South Eastern Europe & Asia-Oceania. If anything is racist it's grouping all of these people together to support your narrative. The only common denominator is following of an outdated doctrine and ideology.

Who said anything about being happy with signs? English was voted as the official common language by both the maritime and aviation industries and the UN. If airports want to use it then so be it - I've been to plenty where no English signs are displayed, not just the Costa Brava.
 
It's more that we cannot understand or figure out the logic of those who voted out. It just looks like low brow tribalism and I've yet to hear an argument to the contrary.

It's increasingly moving towards a federalist agenda that I and many, many others don't wish to be a part of.
 

They aren't.

I'm not racist but I don't want any more immigrants - Not racist unless there's context added. Feel that the current population level is at a maximum? Not racist. Is an immigrant a race?
I'm not racist but British people should get the jobs - Not racist at all.
I'm not racist but lets build a wall to keep the Mexicans out - I'd agree that's racist.
I'm not racist but outraged that a sign in the civic centre is in another language - Not racist.
I'm not racist but I don't like Muslims - Stupid and is Islamophobia.
 
That's why we have a minimum wage, and pretty much all economists agree that free trade is better for all nations. Creating a closed labour market in this country makes us less competitive. Protectionism have been tried in many countries before and fails.

It's not quite as cut and dried as you say. While free trade as we know it has been going on for many decades now, the mass free movement of workers seen in globalisation is relatively new and is already demonstrating that there are winners and losers. I think we should say the jury is still out on this.

Equally, while it's not strictly protectionism (in that it was enforced from outside) the economy of Zimbabwe post-UDI is an interesting example. With no access to foreign markets - either to buy or sell - under sanctions the local economy boomed. They manufactured their own cars, were self-sufficient in food and even established a local wine-making industry. While Mugabe destroyed this in short order, it does present an alternative model to your blanket statement.

China - which has had the biggest single impact on reducing global poverty levels in the last couple of decades - is another example of protectionism not exactly failing.

And, of course, the EU is a protectionist customs union...
 
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