Time to dismiss the big spending bruce theory


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alex fergusson
carlo ancelloti
arsene wenger
roberto mancini
harry redknapp
kenny daglish
david moyes
gerard houllier
mark hughes

only one of them has spent less money than SAFC (in our bracket) and done a better job
 
There are a plethora of managers who have spent less than the buffoon and are doing/have done a better job.

It's easier to spend less when you already have a good basis of a team. Bruce didn't and he has had to overhaul just about every player from the Keano (and before Keane) era who were just not good enough. It's a long process of shipping out players and replacing them with better players, even then those players may only be short term and may be shipped out next season for greater quality (it's not easy for a club in our position when we came up to just buy the best players from the off).

Most teams in the Prem already have this basis of a squad from being there for a good few seasons, teams coming up don't usually have that basis and it's pot luck how they fare if they don't spend. Even if they do spend there is a massive chance of still going down due to the quality of the teams already in the Prem who have had years to tweak their squads.

Take the mags for example. They didn't spend much when they came up because they already still had the basis of a squad able to compete in the Prem from their years in the Prem previously.
 
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It's easier to spend less when you already have a good basis of a team. Bruce didn't and he has had to overhaul just about every player from the Keano (and before Keane) era who were just not good enough. It's a long process of shipping out players and replacing them with better players, even then those players may only be short term and may be shipped out next season for greater quality (it's not easy for a club in our position when we came up to just buy the best players from the off).

Most teams in the Prem already have this basis of a squad from being there for a good few seasons, teams coming up don't usually have that basis and it's pot luck how they fare if they don't spend. Even if they do spend there is a massive chance of still going down due to the quality of the teams already in the Prem who have had years to tweak their squads.

Take the mags for example. They didn't spend much when they came up because they already still had the basis of a squad able to compete in the Prem from their years in the Prem previously.

Why bother - the bloke's a grade-a cockend. I find '10th. Fuck off' works equally as well.
 
It's easier to spend less when you already have a good basis of a team. Bruce didn't and he has had to overhaul just about every player from the Keano (and before Keane) era who were just not good enough. It's a long process of shipping out players and replacing them with better players, even then those players may only be short term and may be shipped out next season for greater quality (it's not easy for a club in our position when we came up to just buy the best players from the off).

Most teams in the Prem already have this basis of a squad from being there for a good few seasons, teams coming up don't usually have that basis and it's pot luck how they fare if they don't spend. Even if they do spend there is a massive chance of still going down due to the quality of the teams already in the Prem who have had years to tweak their squads.

Take the mags for example. They didn't spend much when they came up because they already still had the basis of a squad able to compete in the Prem from their years in the Prem previously.

Are you saying that Gordon, bardsley, Richardson, Ferdinand, malbranque, Jones added to others who must have been at least reasonable as we managed to sell them and young lads like Henderson, colback and meyler wasn't the basis of a decent premiership squad?

All of the first six would be first team members now. It's very true we needed to add quality and build on that, but to say most on here weren't good enough and we needed drastic changes ignores many of the players who were here have continued to play for us and in other cases done reasonably well elsewhere.

We've gone backwards in terms of quality up front and possibly in options from widest areas and defence this season, where does that fit into your argument? Barring brown and o'shea, where is all this quality he's brought in?
 
We've gone backwards in terms of quality up front and possibly in options from widest areas and defence this season, where does that fit into your argument? Barring brown and o'shea, where is all this quality he's brought in?

Yu cannot dismiss Bent and Gyan just because they fucked off to chase the filthy lucre.

We cannot offer:
  • £100k+ per week
  • European football
  • London/bright lights/shopping etc
Better players want the above. Unless we go down the Boro/mags route and throw money at them, we cannot attract them and there's fuck all Bruce or any other manager at SAFC can do about that.
 
Yu cannot dismiss Bent and Gyan just because they fucked off to chase the filthy lucre.


We cannot offer:
  • £100k+ per week
  • European football
  • London/bright lights/shopping etc
Better players want the above. Unless we go down the Boro/mags route and throw money at them, we cannot attract them and there's fuck all Bruce or any other manager at SAFC can do about that.

Will you stop making sensible posts please - this isn't the thread for it.
 
what a load of bollocks

Bruce net spend looks good because half our team our loan players every year

No transfer fees but shed loads of dosh wasted on loan fees

Probably gave Lyon £5 million for Mensah during the time he was here
 
Are you saying that Gordon, bardsley, Richardson, Ferdinand, malbranque, Jones added to others who must have been at least reasonable as we managed to sell them and young lads like Henderson, colback and meyler wasn't the basis of a decent premiership squad?

All of the first six would be first team members now. It's very true we needed to add quality and build on that, but to say most on here weren't good enough and we needed drastic changes ignores many of the players who were here have continued to play for us and in other cases done reasonably well elsewhere.

We've gone backwards in terms of quality up front and possibly in options from widest areas and defence this season, where does that fit into your argument? Barring brown and o'shea, where is all this quality he's brought in?

I would say that except goalkeeper and mb left back, wing and attack we have improved in all other areas since Bruce came. That is my opinion.... base a little bit on how you stack up the attack at the moment. And the difference between richardson and collins is more that one is better at defending the other going forward... left mid well... still have richardson ad larsson (got others as well) miss malbranque... not that big difference maybe actually a bit better. time will tell...

however that was not the point of the thread which simply is saying that Bruce is a big spender (counting in sales) is wrong.
 
I would say that except goalkeeper and mb left back, wing and attack we have improved in all other areas since Bruce came. That is my opinion.... base a little bit on how you stack up the attack at the moment. And the difference between richardson and collins is more that one is better at defending the other going forward... left mid well... still have richardson ad larsson (got others as well) miss malbranque... not that big difference maybe actually a bit better. time will tell...

however that was not the point of the thread which simply is saying that Bruce is a big spender (counting in sales) is wrong.


Oh I see so I have imagined that he has spent over 70 million.
 
Are you saying that Gordon, bardsley, Richardson, Ferdinand, malbranque, Jones added to others who must have been at least reasonable as we managed to sell them and young lads like Henderson, colback and meyler wasn't the basis of a decent premiership squad?

All of the first six would be first team members now. It's very true we needed to add quality and build on that, but to say most on here weren't good enough and we needed drastic changes ignores many of the players who were here have continued to play for us and in other cases done reasonably well elsewhere.

We've gone backwards in terms of quality up front and possibly in options from widest areas and defence this season, where does that fit into your argument? Barring brown and o'shea, where is all this quality he's brought in?

We scraped relegation by the skin of our teeth, which shows the team just wasn't good enough as a whole. Bar a few players like Gordon the team really wasn't much cop. Bardsley was playing shite, Richardson didn't have any consistency and didn't know where he was meant to be played, Jones wasn't bothered and had been injured for ages, Malbranque was decent, Ferdinand couldn't concentrate but was ok. It wasn't a good enough basis for a mid table Prem team where Bruce wanted us to be hitting within a few years.

Our quality upfront went up loads when Bruce got here. You think Jones was better than Bent? Or is Chopra better than Bent?

Our wide areas have always been poor, we have MUCH better players out there this season in Sess and Larsson. How many goals and chances did our other years wingers create us? Chopra bagged a few but he was a striker hoyyed out there for kicks.

And to say our defence has not improved. WTF? :lol:

Our team now would hammer the team that was left to Bruce when he came in.
 
Yu cannot dismiss Bent and Gyan just because they fucked off to chase the filthy lucre.

We cannot offer:
  • £100k+ per week
  • European football
  • London/bright lights/shopping etc
Better players want the above. Unless we go down the Boro/mags route and throw money at them, we cannot attract them and there's fuck all Bruce or any other manager at SAFC can do about that.

Doesn't make a difference. If you're not taking account of the reasons we had a poorer squad in the first place having only been up two seasons and the problems keane faced in attracting players and just the turnover of players and money spent or not spent under Bruce then I don't see how all that is relevant. It may well be true, but because of it we are weaker in that area and as I keep hearing "we finished 10th" and it doesn't matter what wages, loan fees, signing on fees etc have been spent then in that argument all that matters is the current squad. Afterall those two players fees on going out represent 25m to 30m pounds of the revenue he's brought in according to the op's post - you can't have it both ways, they're either included in the argument or its a stupid argument.

We scraped relegation by the skin of our teeth, which shows the team just wasn't good enough as a whole. Bar a few players like Gordon the team really wasn't much cop. Bardsley was playing shite, Richardson didn't have any consistency and didn't know where he was meant to be played, Jones wasn't bothered and had been injured for ages, Malbranque was decent, Ferdinand couldn't concentrate but was ok. It wasn't a good enough basis for a mid table Prem team where Bruce wanted us to be hitting within a few years.

Our quality upfront went up loads when Bruce got here. You think Jones was better than Bent? Or is Chopra better than Bent?

Our wide areas have always been poor, we have MUCH better players out there this season in Sess and Larsson. How many goals and chances did our other years wingers create us? Chopra bagged a few but he was a striker hoyyed out there for kicks.

And to say our defence has not improved. WTF? :lol:

Our team now would hammer the team that was left to Bruce when he came in.

We scraped premiership survival because of poor.management from first keane and then sbragia. Seems you're ignoring where we finished the season previous.

And bardsleys average, but then he's always been so. To say his form is much if at all better now is fabrication.

You seems to be looking at what happened to some of those players under bruce, rather than at the time. Steed was one of the highest players in the assist league the season before Bruce came in. When Jones came back from injury only a handful of players outscored him during the rest of that half season and Jones and bent were here together BTW, neither are now so I don't get why you ask if I think Jones is better than bent. And Ferdinand was mostly the same as he always has been.

So sees is a midfielder this week despite playing up front? Him and larsson are 2 players BTW, because I said our optimus.s are weaker, as I did in defence and I said from LAST season under Bruce ffs, not that hard to understand really.
 
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