Thought, thinking and self awareness


Maybe it is but I don't do anything because I think it will bring me good karma.

I do things that will keep my life simple and focused. A bit selfish I know but....

If that is good karma then fair enough but it's not something I think about.

I received the techniques previously known as Brahmanvidya (Knowledge of Brahman).

What greater karma could I wish for in this lifetime?

Karma is not an issue to me.
Niceonemarra is known as Bra-man...
 
Enlightenment is meant to be canny good like.

Whey man, he sounds like he's got a box of fortune cookies and opens one, then types out what they says.

"Your thoughts are seeds, and the harvest you reap will depend on the seeds you plant"
"Good sense is the master of human life"
"Good luck bestows upon you. You will get what your heart desires"
"What you are thinking now is creating your future life"

Mystical nonsense.
 
That's ok. Reincarnation is not an issue to me either.

If good karma leads to be better lifetime next time then that is not good karma at all.

I'd rather karma that ensured I didn't have to come back again.

The best karma is no karma at all.
Isnt that the deal though, Karma wears out over life times by gradual enlightenment until we escape samsara. (I don't ask you to believe or endorse it)
Its a conundrum though because good Karma can lead to a more pleasant rebirth (even in a god realm) from which you are less likely to achieve renunciation. The human realm being the optimum (only) jumping off point and the meditation allows you to withstand the vision of your remaining Karma in the bardo of death and avoid a grasping rebirth..
Its all just a big puzzle really, just be excellent to each other and get comfy with your noodle is about as far as you can take it, the rest looks after its self.. Or doesn't as the case may be
 
Isnt that the deal though, Karma wears out over life times by gradual enlightenment until we escape samsara. (I don't ask you to believe or endorse it)
Its a conundrum though because good Karma can lead to a more pleasant rebirth (even in a god realm) from which you are less likely to achieve renunciation. The human realm being the optimum (only) jumping off point and the meditation allows you to withstand the vision of your remaining Karma in the bardo of death and avoid a grasping rebirth..
Its all just a big puzzle really, just be excellent to each other and get comfy with your noodle is about as far as you can take it, the rest looks after its self.. Or doesn't as the case may be

The bottom line is I just don't know. Although I see the Asuras gather once more :lol:

If we talk in terms of karma then the first good karma was to be born a human being and the second good karma is to become a Streamwinner as Buddha said. In the Diamond Sutra he describes four stages of incarnation on the way to liberation:

Streamwinner
Twice Returner
Once Returner
Never Returner

Each stage is associated with a cognitive realisation that once gained is never lost. Although these concepts are much older than Buddhism and originate with the Shramana then passed through Jainism to Buddhism. That dates them to at least 7,000 BC and they are the opposite of theistic concepts, being atheistic. But I can only go with what I know.

Personally, as someone who has been revealed Brahmanvidya or Raj Vidya, that should make me a Streamwinner according to Buddha, the corresponding cognitive realisation being recognition of what is within me through direct experience. According to the philosophy I am working towards being a Twice Returner with the corresponding cognitive realisation being the recognition of what is within me being within everyone else through direct experience. It's easy to accept the theory of that because we are all human beings so the same thing is within us all, but what Buddha is talking about is a direct cognitive experience. Yes, I have seen that many times in other people but not all the time. Does that make me a Twice Returner? I don't know.

So I must work on what I experience and know in this lifetime. In that regard karma, reincarnation and any afterlife are things to think about and in that context they are distractions from what I know so I have no attachment to them anymore. Maybe those theories are true maybe they are not but the bottom line is that I don't know.

I can only work towards consolidation of what I do know in this lifetime.

It would be nice to think that if there is reincarnation then when I return it would be as a Once Returner in which I could consolidate the cognitive experience to being constant and something I experience with every breath. The I would achieve being what the Hindus call a Mahatma or Enlightened Being. It would be nice but I don't know. I am certainly not an enlightened being now and don't think I will be one in this lifetime.
 
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You've come on this thread with the express intention of boosting your ego, from your very first post, just dying for someone to engage with you so you could spew it all out like you have.
 
The worldly mind: Born in darkness, it lives in darkness, and it dies in darkness.

Krishna:

Find the master of the day
And with the heart of a child
Without cheat or deceit
Ask and Raj Vidya shall be revealed.

Jesus:

The Kingdom of Heaven is within
The way to the father is through me
Unless you become as little children you cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven
Seek and you shall find
Knock and the door will be opened
Ask and it shall be given

Let the dead bury the dead.
 
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The worldly mind: Born in darkness, it lives in darkness, and it dies in darkness.

Krishna:

Find the master of the day
And with the heart of a child
Without cheat or deceit
Ask and Raj Vidya shall be revealed.


:lol:

You keep quoting these nursery rhymes as if they're a form of great intelligence and mentioning the thousands of years in which they have been told/practised, which really only shows how stunted their use and limited the power, it's seems like no one is any further forward despite 2,000 years of learning and enlightenment.

If we'd had 2,000 years to learn about Quantum Mechanics I'm sure we'd know more than we did when we started 2,000 years ago, it's only been around for a couple hundred years and already the growth of the subject has expanded far more than your paradoxical pastime.

and while your on, tell Raj to shove that divine light up his arse, ya daft cultist mug.
 
:lol:

You keep quoting these nursery rhymes as if they're a form of great intelligence and mentioning the thousands of years in which they have been told/practised, which really only shows how stunted their use and limited the power, it's seems like no one is any further forward despite 2,000 years of learning and enlightenment.

If we'd had 2,000 years to learn about Quantum Mechanics I'm sure we'd know more than we did when we started 2,000 years ago, it's only been around for a couple hundred years and already the growth of the subject has expanded far more than your paradoxical pastime.

and while your on, tell Raj to shove that divine light up his arse, ya daft cultist mug.


:lol:

I'm Radhasoami which is a Sant Mat school of which there are several including Advait Mat.

I can't tell my master to stick anything up his arse. I was initiated almost 50 years ago and he has been dead for years now.

He became my master when he initiated me and ceased to be when that initiation finished.

"If you meet the Buddha on the way, kill him" a Zen Master once said.

I'm sure Quantum Mechanics will be of great value to you as a human being.

You really can't trust google.
 
It already has, greatly.

What will you do when you realise you wasted your own life searching for a better one next time around.
therein lies the paradox

:rolleyes:

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm atheist. I don't believe in God, soul, karma or reincarnation. If someone could prove them to me to be true that would be different like most atheists. The discussion above with Skandhaless was just considering the possibility and applying it to myself but I don't know and said that four times in the post. People who speak in the first person tend to be more truthful in my opinion. It was nothing more than speculation on Buddhist theory but I said I can only work with what I do know. I don't expect a next time around. I've also said that meditation works on the cerebral cortex, the visual cortex and the auditory cortex. I've said it is a neurological and physiological practice in reality and there is nothing mystical about it. The word spirit simply means breath to me. The aim is to appreciate the moment more in this life and I have appreciated that greatly over the last 50 years. The ultimate would be sitting in Harry's back garden and enjoying a nice cup of tea although I prefer coffee. To be completely in the moment without my mind wandering off onto other things. I don't see what is wrong with that and it is my business. I need a method for that, others may not. We are human beings, nothing more and nothing less. That's why I said I was a humanist. I believe in our inherent humanity and that we are all simply human beings. I don't believe in divine incarnations and never have.

After initiation in the Radhasoami methods in 1969 at the Satsang Beas Ashram I became more involved in Tibetan Buddhism by 1972 in the Kagyupa sect of the Karmapa but he died a few years ago and I never became initiated as I saw no need to change meditation. I used to visit their ashram in Birmingham and met many Tibetans, Nice people. I found their philosophy was not much different to that of Adi Shankara who formed Advaita Vedanta (non dualistic Vedanta).

As I've said I am confident that we have reached a stage of understanding that means there will never be another religion in the world, thank God.

However, we still have much to discover about ourselves as human beings.

For me, I am now much nearer the exit door of this world but the most valuable thing I learned from Buddhism was the dissolution process.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean. I'm atheist. I don't believe in God, soul, karma or reincarnation. If someone could prove them to me to be true that would be different like most atheists. The discussion above with Skandhaless was just considering the possibility and applying it to myself but I don't know and said that four times in the post. People who speak in the first person tend to be more truthful in my opinion. It was nothing more than speculation on Buddhist theory but I said I can only work with what I do know. I don't expect a next time around. I've also said that meditation works on the cerebral cortex, the visual cortex and the auditory cortex. I've said it is a neurological and physiological practice in reality and there is nothing mystical about it. The word spirit simply means breath to me. The aim is to appreciate the moment more in this life and I have appreciated that greatly over the last 50 years. The ultimate would be sitting in Harry's back garden and enjoying a nice cup of tea although I prefer coffee. To be completely in the moment without my mind wandering off onto other things. I don't see what is wrong with that and it is my business. I need a method for that, others may not. We are human beings, nothing more and nothing less. That's why I said I was a humanist. I believe in our inherent humanity and that we are all simply human beings. I don't believe in divine incarnations and never have.

The goal of Sant Mat is for us to become true human beings, to know our self as soul, and to realize our oneness with the Creator.

I'm sorry but you talk an absolute load of shite:

..primordial vibration
..the animating principle of the universe
..meditation works on the cerebral cortex, the visual cortex and the auditory cortex

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"primordial vibration" is my favourite
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I'm sorry but you talk an absolute load of shite:

..primordial vibration
..the animating principle of the universe
..meditation works on the cerebral cortex, the visual cortex and the auditory cortex

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"primordial vibration" is my favourite
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Again you jump to conclusions on the flimsiest understanding. I was simply explaining the Stoic philosophy which was a great influence on Christianity and the Gospel of John which called the logos the Word. I never said that was my belief. You really are so full of shit and a total waste of time and you've proven that all by yourself. :lol:

Why not educate yourself and read up on Stoicism. Then you might not embarrass yourself so easily. Although that would involve google and we can see how good you are using that.

Have a nice life. And find someone else to waste time with.

That one liner about the generic philosophy of Sant Mat is a classic. I can think for myself and in meditation discovered no soul because one doesn't exust. Buddhism tught me that.

And Adi Shankara was non dualistic like Buddhism.

:lol:

The only person here on an ego trip is you.

Look at me I'm so so clever, google is my guru. :lol:

So what was your previous incarnation on the SMB?

Why do you need to hide behind a new avatar?
 
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Again you jump to conclusions on the flimsiest understanding. I was simply explaining the Stoic philosophy which was a great influence on Christianity and the Gospel of John which called the logos the Word. I never said that was my belief. You really are so full of shit and a total waste of time and you've proven that all by yourself. :lol:

Why not educate yourself and read up on Stoicism. Then you might not embarrass yourself so easily. Although that would involve google and we can see how good you are using that.

Have a nice life. And find someone else to waste time with.

That one liner about the generic philosophy of Sant Mat is a classic. I can think for myself and in meditation discovered no soul because one doesn't exust. Buddhism tught me that.

And Adi Shankara was non dualistic like Buddhism.

:lol:

The only person here on an ego trip is you.

Look at me I'm so so clever, google is my guru. :lol:


Yeah, I thought that might finish you off.

I see you failed to explain the primordial vibration :lol: or how meditation "works" on the cortex, how surprising ;)
 
Whey man, he sounds like he's got a box of fortune cookies and opens one, then types out what they says.

"Your thoughts are seeds, and the harvest you reap will depend on the seeds you plant"
"Good sense is the master of human life"
"Good luck bestows upon you. You will get what your heart desires"
"What you are thinking now is creating your future life"

Mystical nonsense.
He's not your average normal Norman I'll give you that, he seems to be very well educated and as I've read books on buddism and stuff like that I promise you he does make sense you just have to be on the same wave length.
 
Yeah, I thought that might finish you off.

I see you failed to explain the primordial vibration :lol: or how meditation "works" on the cortex, how surprising ;)

Finished me off. You flatter yourself.

What doesn't have an effect on the cerebral cortex. I'd love to know?

What doesn't have a neurological effect?

So what was your previous incarnation and why do you need to hide behind a new avatar?

Careful reading too much google though. You will end up with tired eyes.

He's not your average normal Norman I'll give you that, he seems to be very well educated and as I've read books on buddism and stuff like that I promise you he does make sense you just have to be on the same wave length.

He's a waste of space the same tired MO as before.

He doesn't come on here to debate. He comes on here on his own ego trip.

He knows about quantum mechanics you know.

Probably read it on google sometime.

I doubt if he's a quantum physicist.

In fact I doubt if he anything at all. Probably live on the back of his wife's earning.
 
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Yeah, I thought that might finish you off.

I see you failed to explain the primordial vibration :lol: or how meditation "works" on the cortex, how surprising ;)

I don't know anything about the primordial vibration. It's just part of the Stoic philosophy. They called it the animating principle of the universe, not me.

The Logos is the Word in the Bible. Only the gospel of Jon could explain why :lol:

So come on. Don't be shy. I'm sure we will understand. Why do you need to hide behind a new avatar?
 
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How about you answer my questions before you expect answers to all the questions you've fired off in this quickfire three-post melt of yours.

How does meditation "work" on the visual, auditory and cerebral cortex, or were you using smoke and mirrors again ?

You talk shite pal, all riddles and nonsense quotes that you hope make you sound good, a right good boost to the ego eh ?

:rolleyes:
 

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