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This is Worse than 2013/2014

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Voice of fair play said:
Tbf to Ali he has performed very consistently for a number of years if they dropped him for this test, that would have meant he would have been dropped after just 2 bad tests, that would have been very harsh.
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Exactly the sort of conservatism and sentimentality that is killing us.

You need to have a bad series (or worse) if you play for England. A couple of bad games for Australia and you're out on your arse, with public backing.

Compare and contrast with Australia's handling of Handscomb and Maxwell.
 
smoker said:
Exactly the sort of conservatism and sentimentality that is killing us.

You need to have a bad series (or worse) if you play for England. A couple of bad games for Australia and you're out on your arse, with public backing.

Compare and contrast with Australia's handling of Handscomb and Maxwell.
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I have nothing against your point in princple however it’s the lack of depth that’s the problem for English cricket.

I am all for changes if the replacements are better are they?
 
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Voice of fair play said:
I have nothing against your point in princple however it’s the lack of depth that’s the problem for English cricket.

I am all for changes if the replacements are better are they?
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Are you seriously telling us there are no better spinners than Ali and Crane, averaging 40 apiece in the CC?

In the fast-bowling department, Toby Roland Jones and Craig Overton outshone Broad and Woakes when given an opportunity.

If you don't give people a crack, how do you ever find out?

Amazing how Australia manage to have greater depth than us, when they have six First Class teams and we have twenty.
 
Chris Tremlett:
Players and Management can be as honest as they want about this tour, but if we keep playing a style of cricket that relies on the swinging ball all around the world then it’s going to continue to be the same outcome away from home.
 
England have won just 6 tests in Australia in the last 30 years. Not sure why we expected anything other than yet another drubbing.

I think we are mentally weak.
 
brandon said:
Simple as that. This Australia team are absolutely f***ing average, yet they're going to beat our spineless bastards 5-0 again :lol:
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I agree.

Posted the question in the match thread, this has to be the worst away Ashes performance outside of the dominant Australian period and Jimmy saying it is not a fair reflection of the competitiveness of the series :shock:
 
Bri said:
Chris Tremlett:
Players and Management can be as honest as they want about this tour, but if we keep playing a style of cricket that relies on the swinging ball all around the world then it’s going to continue to be the same outcome away from home.
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Isn't it pretty much the same for every country they rely on their home conditions? When was the last time Aussies won over here. India are ranked number 1 but look at their record outside Asia
 
Jack Torrance said:
Isn't it pretty much the same for every country they rely on their home conditions? When was the last time Aussies won over here. India are ranked number 1 but look at their record outside Asia
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Maybe so but is that a proper way to proceed? If you want to win in the Sub-Continent you need to deal with spin or in Australia pace, but if you are not able to develop the tools then the games are little more than a procession, which is boring.

I think the difference is too extreme at present and made that way by the ECB reserving the summer for T20 and that I think is unhealthy for Test cricket.
 
Bri said:
Maybe so but is that a proper way to proceed? If you want to win in the Sub-Continent you need to deal with spin or in Australia pace, but if you are not able to develop the tools then the games are little more than a procession, which is boring.

I think the difference is too extreme at present and made that way by the ECB reserving the summer for T20 and that I think is unhealthy for Test cricket.
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You can look at ways at changing things to prepare for future tours but for now and a series like this you have to get selection right which we didn't. Every man and his dog thought Plunkett should have went bar the selectors who opted for Ball and Curran instead. Crane may come good but surely there were better spin options. Vince we knew what he was like and he hasn't changed. We did change the coin toss in the county championship in an attempt to find a spinner yet ignore Leach who has had 2 great seasons. They'll be plenty of changes I imagine but we should start by sacking the selectors who have failed miserably in 2 big tours of India and Australia recently
 
Jack Torrance said:
You can look at ways at changing things to prepare for future tours but for now and a series like this you have to get selection right which we didn't. Every man and his dog thought Plunkett should have went bar the selectors who opted for Ball and Curran instead. Crane may come good but surely there were better spin options. Vince we knew what he was like and he hasn't changed. We did change the coin toss in the county championship in an attempt to find a spinner yet ignore Leach who has had 2 great seasons. They'll be plenty of changes I imagine but we should start by sacking the selectors who have failed miserably in 2 big tours of India and Australia recently
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Well, I disagree. I don't think selection would have made any difference.

I would do if we could have picked Starc, Cummings and Hazlewood.

We didn't have one bowler at their standard. Plunkett hasn't been a big wicket taker although I think it sounds like everyone here would have taken him and Jimmy's best game was the day-nighter when conditions were most England-like.

We just don't have the team to win there.
 
Bri said:
Well, I disagree. I don't think selection would have made any difference.

I would do if we could have picked Starc, Cummings and Hazlewood.

We didn't have one bowler at their standard. Plunkett hasn't been a big wicket taker although I think it sounds like everyone here would have taken him and Jimmy's best game was the day-nighter when conditions were most England-like.

We just don't have the team to win there.
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I agree I dont think we'd have won there regardless of team selection but to have any chance you need to get it right. Plunkett is strong, quick and aggressive I think he'd have done alright. Jimmy is a better bowler than all them albeit not suited to these conditions but he bowled well would have had better figures if the other bowlers could have held an end and created some pressure. I'm sure there will be better spinners than Crane we ignored. Obviously Stokes not being there didn't help as he's a match winner.
 
smoker said:
Are you seriously telling us there are no better spinners than Ali and Crane, averaging 40 apiece in the CC?

In the fast-bowling department, Toby Roland Jones and Craig Overton outshone Broad and Woakes when given an opportunity.

If you don't give people a crack, how do you ever find out?

Amazing how Australia manage to have greater depth than us, when they have six First Class teams and we have twenty.
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We could always go back to the good old days of getting slaughtered in Australia while using 25 players!!

That used to happen quite a lot, chopping and changing more frequently certainly never helped then!

In your original post that I quoted you were saying how shit Cook had been, yet he scored a double hundred the next game,sometimes people have put in consistent performances over a period of time that allows them a bit more time.

I would put Broad in that category
 
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Mr Redknapp said:
I agree.

Posted the question in the match thread, this has to be the worst away Ashes performance outside of the dominant Australian period and Jimmy saying it is not a fair reflection of the competitiveness of the series :eek:
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We were arguably as bad in India.

I suppose we had a chance to win in Rajkot.
 
Voice of fair play said:
We could always go back to the good old days of getting slaughtered in Australia while using 25 players!!
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But our biggest Ashes defeats have been in three of the last four tours, where we used no more than c.14 players.

Throughout the nadir of the 1990's, and scattergun selection policies, we still managed to win tests in Australia.
 
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