This 'club being tight' nonsense.


Status
Not open for further replies.
This just demonstrates in financial terms how poorly we are being run. How many of those clubs have paid off coaches and their hangers on as many times as we have? I am intrigued by the reported comment from Advocaat that we are still paying transfer fees and wages for players who are not with us now. What the kind of mad fook up is that? We are run by an enthusiastic fan with no background in football, and a lawyer, with hardly any more experience in football. The shocking results (off the field) are the evidence of poor decision making.


The Board?

He didn't say that it was transfer fees only and every single club buys players via instalments.........

As for the board only one of them( theres only 5 anyway) is on a large wage and even then its probably well below the PL average for the position..........
 
I think we have a poor reputation and have to pay over the odds to convince people to come. Certainly in the British market anyway.

Same goes (or should go) for every team outside of the top 8. We used to be capable of selling the club under Quinn.
 
For the sake of £20-25m for a couple of players to really improve us, we could be on an almost even keel in a couple of years with the telly money. Burying our heads in the sand and banking on three teams being worse than us could cost a hell of a lot more than that.

Short-term financial pain (with a manager who knows what he's doing) for long-term gain.
 
Same goes (or should go) for every team outside of the top 8. We used to be capable of selling the club under Quinn.

There are clubs outside the top 8 with far better reputations. Years of finishing 17th and playing dreadful football means we're about as unfashionable as you can get in the PL.
 
There are clubs outside the top 8 with far better reputations. Years of finishing 17th and playing dreadful football means we're about as unfashionable as you can get in the PL.

WBA under Pulis, Palace under Pardew and Stoke under Hughes all became appealing to players by talking to players and selling a vision. The mags were last season's crisis club and have no issue in recruiting talent.

This "poor old Sunderland" thing is a weak excuse. It didn't stand in our way when we signed Gyan, Bent etc.
 
WBA under Pulis, Palace under Pardew and Stoke under Hughes all became appealing to players by talking to players and selling a vision. The mags were last season's crisis club and have no issue in recruiting talent.

This "poor old Sunderland" thing is a weak excuse. It didn't stand in our way when we signed Gyan, Bent etc.

Who have West Brom signed like?

Palace are in London and have signed a player that played under Pardew previously.

Stoke have been good for years now and have the Begovic and N'Zonzi money to chuck at players.
 
Who have West Brom signed like?

Palace are in London and have signed a player that played under Pardew previously.

Stoke have been good for years now and have the Begovic and N'Zonzi money to chuck at players.

Rondon.
 
Best conversation I've read on here for a longtime, giving some sensible explanation of how we've got ourselves into this situation. I've lurked around here for years but this one made me want to contribute......apologies for that!...

To me, for far to long the club has been tactically focused. With little or no strategic thought on the football side of things. There's no one with any footballing experience in a director role at the club which must mean inexperienced people are making or influencing key decisions such as previous head coach recruitment. Anyone with experience would surely have advised against Di Canio, or maybe even against the wealth of previous managers /head coaches who've had little experience of spending money yet we've allowed to waste millions. (Steve Bruce and his 'shopping at Harrods' quote should of rung alarm bells.....)

Yes we now have Lee Congerton, who'll be an asset, but he's responsible for player recruitment, not thinking big / long term within the club. For the first time in a long time we've a manager who's got bags of experience and been successful, which I think provides hope, so long as it's not too little to late....

Can't help but think the recruitment of someone like Brian Marwood (Man City Football Administartion Officer) would be a fantastic addition to the board, helping to advise with the big decisions, and providing Short with experience at the right level to bounce ideas off. He's got bags of experience and is a massive Sunderland fan too.
 
Best conversation I've read on here for a longtime, giving some sensible explanation of how we've got ourselves into this situation. I've lurked around here for years but this one made me want to contribute......apologies for that!...

To me, for far to long the club has been tactically focused. With little or no strategic thought on the football side of things. There's no one with any footballing experience in a director role at the club which must mean inexperienced people are making or influencing key decisions such as previous head coach recruitment. Anyone with experience would surely have advised against Di Canio, or maybe even against the wealth of previous managers /head coaches who've had little experience of spending money yet we've allowed to waste millions. (Steve Bruce and his 'shopping at Harrods' quote should of rung alarm bells.....)

Yes we now have Lee Congerton, who'll be an asset, but he's responsible for player recruitment, not thinking big / long term within the club. For the first time in a long time we've a manager who's got bags of experience and been successful, which I think provides hope, so long as it's not too little to late....

Can't help but think the recruitment of someone like Brian Marwood (Man City Football Administartion Officer) would be a fantastic addition to the board, helping to advise with the big decisions, and providing Short with experience at the right level to bounce ideas off. He's got bags of experience and is a massive Sunderland fan too.

Although I don't think it would do any harm whatsoever to have somebody like Marwood on board, surely there isn't a cat in hell's chance that those on our board already don't realise that signing crap players for big fees on expensive contracts is a bad idea?
 
Although I don't think it would do any harm whatsoever to have somebody like Marwood on board, surely there isn't a cat in hell's chance that those on our board already don't realise that signing crap players for big fees on expensive contracts is a bad idea?

Funny how they've done it year-on-year though.

Every single year we get someone saying what we need (it was Dick this time) and yet it is never addressed.
 
Funny how they've done it year-on-year though

It can't be on purpose though? I think we've put too much trust in the managers, that's definitely a failure. We are doomed unless we have a change in approach though - we have to start signing players with potential, ability and can flog for at least what we paid.
 
It can't be on purpose though? I think we've put too much trust in the managers, that's definitely a failure. We are doomed unless we have a change in approach though - we have to start signing players with potential, ability and can flog for at least what we paid.

Absolutely mate. Why, last year, didn't someone (Congerton) not turn round and say hold-on this winger you are after, isn't even a regular starter for f***ing Brighton? What on God's green earth would make someone expect he was going to make an impact here and offer a three-year Premier League contract?
 
Absolutely mate. Why, last year, didn't someone (Congerton) not turn round and say hold-on this winger you are after, isn't even a regular starter for f***ing Brighton? What on God's green earth would make someone expect he was going to make an impact here and offer a three-year Premier League contract?

Signed just to appease Poyet I think. Crackers.
 
Signed just to appease Poyet I think. Crackers.

It absolutely is mate but it's happened year-in-year, year-out. We look at free transfers from relegated/Championship clubs and offer them deals, leaving us hamstrung with them for at least 3 seasons as there's no way anyone else will pay them what we do and then we whinge about the wages being atthr limit.

I wouldn't expect Ellis Short to be an expert in football but, if he bought a company in his business life, say a financial organisation, and someone says, I know a lad who could do a job here, he works in Nat West on Sea Road, I doubt he'd be getting an interview,so why is it different here?
 
If the club is being tight through necessity it is only because of the frankly amateurish decisions made by the people running SAFC over the past five or six years - these idiots have signed average to poor players and put them on huge wages. We have one of the four worst squads in the league with a wage bill that is higher than Southampton's who almost made the top four last year. :lol: The level of incompetence from Short and his cronies has to make you laugh, because if it doesn't you'll cry.

I hope to goodness he doesn't get away with it any longer, the sackless fool deserves mass sit-ins after games and other forms of protest from our supporters over the shambolic way he is running our great football club. The fans should not have to put up with this embarrassing shit season after season.
 
If the club is being tight through necessity it is only because of the frankly amateurish decisions made by the people running SAFC over the past five or six years - these idiots have signed average to poor players and put them on huge wages. We have one of the four worst squads in the league with a wage bill that is higher than Southampton's who almost made the top four last year. :lol: The level of incompetence from Short and his cronies has to make you laugh, because if it doesn't you'll cry.

I hope to goodness he doesn't get away with it any longer, the sackless fool deserves mass sit-ins after games and other forms of protest from our supporters over the shambolic way he is running our great football club. The fans should not have to put up with this embarrassing shit season after season.

I don't think that helps anybody, really. He and Congerton do need to pull a couple of good deals off before the window closes though.

It absolutely is mate but it's happened year-in-year, year-out. We look at free transfers from relegated/Championship clubs and offer them deals, leaving us hamstrung with them for at least 3 seasons as there's no way anyone else will pay them what we do and then we whinge about the wages being atthr limit.

I wouldn't expect Ellis Short to be an expert in football but, if he bought a company in his business life, say a financial organisation, and someone says, I know a lad who could do a job here, he works in Nat West on Sea Road, I doubt he'd be getting an interview,so why is it different here?

I like Short but without a doubt he's blindly trusted managers too much.
 
Still can't add up to over £90M in debts, and losses of £17M, surely not? What the fuck do we spend the money on?! I'm genuinely at a loss to understand how we can overspend/mis-spend this much money.
That includes ex managers agents and all the player buyouts plus you include over all costs to run.....
 
Funny how they've done it year-on-year though.

Every single year we get someone saying what we need (it was Dick this time) and yet it is never addressed.

So you can be excused for thinking they really dont give a flying fuck and every season in the premiership is seen as a bonus until the inevitable relegation.
 
Absolutely mate. Why, last year, didn't someone (Congerton) not turn round and say hold-on this winger you are after, isn't even a regular starter for f***ing Brighton? What on God's green earth would make someone expect he was going to make an impact here and offer a three-year Premier League contract?
Its a tough one though for Congerton, he has to work with his manager and if his manager recommends a player he has previously worked with then its going to be difficult to go against him. With the benefit of hindsight I wish he did go against him but I can understand him going with the recommendations of his manager.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top