They don't help themselves do they....


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Because they wasted it and changed managers. Your expenditure has been a massive part of your success. That is all credit to Mike Ashley for backing the manager but if you are suggesting that spending £55M on players this season has not been a massive part of your success, regardless of profligacy of Villa, then I think you are being less than honest. I would expect most clubs to get promoted spending those sums on players even if Villa have blown it. With Bruce there and that squad I would think they'll be one of the favourites for next year.

I'm not suggesting that, merely that it's not an absoluite indicator of where a team will finish. Of course you'd expect us to be high in the table spending that amount of money just as most expected Villa to do the same before the start of the season.

Quite why we should sell over £80m worth of players and only apparently be permitted to spend £10m-15m is anyone's guess. It's no surprise that us and Villa were the highest spenders considering we had the greatest turnover of players leaving.

It's when statements come out like 'I could have done what Benitez has with that amount of money' when Roberto Di Matteo failed with similar which are a bit daft.

I agree with you on Villa next season, they already are the favourites iirc and rightly so as they should be in a very strong position after the summer.
 
Some of the replies on this thread man.
They basically translate as "you only won it because your recruitment was good, and only because you won more games and got more points than anybody else"
 
Joint highest goalscorers
Joint best defence
Best goal difference
Most wins
Only 1 off having the least defeats

We deserved to win it looking at those.
 
Finished second (still ahead of top spenders Aston Villa). It's almost as if spending money isn't the be all and end all...

Didn't Villa lose 21 players in transfers out as opposed to you losing about 9? Plus you kept the likes of Perez, Mitrovic, Shelvey, Mbemba, Anita, Dummett etc? A lot of those were starting for you in the Prem weren't they? Plus the £50 million spent on others, is it any wonder you were promoted? It is a hard League to get out of, but Hughton did the same job in 2010 (I think?) with less money and this season with Brighton.
 
Didn't Villa lose 21 players in transfers out as opposed to you losing about 9? Plus you kept the likes of Perez, Mitrovic, Shelvey, Mbemba, Anita, Dummett etc? A lot of those were starting for you in the Prem weren't they? Plus the £50 million spent on others, is it any wonder you were promoted? It is a hard League to get out of, but Hughton did the same job in 2010 (I think?) with less money and this season with Brighton.
We had 16 going out.
 
I'm not suggesting that, merely that it's not an absoluite indicator of where a team will finish. Of course you'd expect us to be high in the table spending that amount of money just as most expected Villa to do the same before the start of the season.

Quite why we should sell over £80m worth of players and only apparently be permitted to spend £10m-15m is anyone's guess. It's no surprise that us and Villa were the highest spenders considering we had the greatest turnover of players leaving.

It's when statements come out like 'I could have done what Benitez has with that amount of money' when Roberto Di Matteo failed with similar which are a bit daft.

I agree with you on Villa next season, they already are the favourites iirc and rightly so as they should be in a very strong position after the summer.
I would expect any club who spent that much more on players to get promoted. If Bruce had had the last 10 games at Villa when they got relegated and spent that money I think they would be up. I don't think what Benitez has done so far is anything special but I do think the club have done a good job in backing him. I do think you have bought your way out of the division which is totally acceptable. Spending big like you have is no guarantee of success but it is a massive part of why you have been successful You don't need to keep biting because football is now all about money and Newcastle's promotion is just another example. It is great when teams like Brighton and Leicester buck the trend but don't try to argue that money spent is a key part of your success because it clearly is. I would love it if we could replicate that.
 
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Some of the replies on this thread man.
They basically translate as "you only won it because your recruitment was good, and only because you won more games and got more points than anybody else"
Are you another Mag? Can't get moved for them. You are back to being the experts on all things football.

You spent £55M on players and this had a massive bearing on you getting promoted. It is not a guarantee that you would get promoted, as Villa have shown, but it is without doubt a major reason why you got promoted. Its nothing to be embarrassed about.
 
Because they wasted it and changed managers. Your expenditure has been a massive part of your success. That is all credit to Mike Ashley for backing the manager but if you are suggesting that spending £55M on players this season has not been a massive part of your success, regardless of profligacy of Villa, then I think you are being less than honest. I would expect most clubs to get promoted spending those sums on players even if Villa have blown it. With Bruce there and that squad I would think they'll be one of the favourites for next year.
The reality is that Newcastle offloaded a lot of their more valuable players and spent a lot of that money on good Championship players, but cleared a profit of about £30m. You'd expect the three relegated clubs to have a negative net spend of a similar amount to cut costs and therefore the three of them should easily bounce back up.
However, it's not that easy is it
Especially with Moyes in charge.
 
The reality is that Newcastle offloaded a lot of their more valuable players and spent a lot of that money on good Championship players, but cleared a profit of about £30m. You'd expect the three relegated clubs to have a negative net spend of a similar amount to cut costs and therefore the three of them should easily bounce back up.
However, it's not that easy is it
Especially with Moyes in charge.
No you are correct, they spent about £100M in assembling the squad that went down.
 

I counted 17, sorry my mistake I thought it was 21 or something that I seen on twitter. Still 25/26 out including loans plus losing their best players bar Abonglahor (if he you want to call him that) is still a lot to lose. At least you got to keep a lot of your first team players.
 
No you are correct, they spent about £100M in assembling the squad that went down.

A squad that had it's key players sold-off post relegation. There's those goalposts being moved again...

What has Sunderland's squad cost to assemble, out of interest?
 
A squad that had it's key players sold off post relegation. There's those goalposts being moved again...
You need to stop biting. Just enjoy your success. I would love it if we could spend that much - yes, it wouldn't guarantee success but it would make it far more likely.
 
I'm not suggesting that, merely that it's not an absoluite indicator of where a team will finish. Of course you'd expect us to be high in the table spending that amount of money just as most expected Villa to do the same before the start of the season.

Quite why we should sell over £80m worth of players and only apparently be permitted to spend £10m-15m is anyone's guess. It's no surprise that us and Villa were the highest spenders considering we had the greatest turnover of players leaving.

It's when statements come out like 'I could have done what Benitez has with that amount of money' when Roberto Di Matteo failed with similar which are a bit daft.

I agree with you on Villa next season, they already are the favourites iirc and rightly so as they should be in a very strong position after the summer.

Di Matteo is a wank manager though :lol:
 
I counted 17, sorry my mistake I thought it was 21 or something that I seen on twitter. Still 25/26 out including loans plus losing their best players bar Abonglahor (if he you want to call him that) is still a lot to lose. At least you got to keep a lot of your first team players.

So we are counting loans now.

We lost the a fair few first teamers as well (whether it be loans or sales).

Krul
Coloccini
Sissoko
Wijnaldum
Janmaat
Townsend
Cisse

Di Matteo is a wank manager though :lol:

So is Benitez. I read it on here.
 
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