The questions we should really be asking about remembrance
Monday marks Armistice Day, but you could be forgiven for thinking different if you attended a British football match over the past two weeks
www.independent.co.uk
The time has come for football to start asking some difficult questions about remembrance
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myleftfoot1978
Striker
Is that news paper taking the piss? Just because they are oversized poppies and people dressed up does not take away from the fact all the clubs involved are supporting those who have fallen and served, what do they want clubs to do? Remember those pictures from Liverpool would be going all over the world yesterday, what do the independent paper want clubs to do?
phillips10
Central Defender
Lefties in being disrespectful shocker.
Zak's Dad
Midfield
Scoring political points off the back of a newspaper article about the symbolism of the poppy is (I think?) exactly what the writer is highlighting as an issue.
The Independent is hardly left wing, but don't let that get in the way of attacking the supposed political stance rather than engaging with what they're saying.
PS
Striker
Now that the 100th anniversary of 1918 has been and gone, I think we should celebrate it on the nearest Sunday and leave it at that. Today's observation was redundant, and also ironic, as the French pushed for the ceasefire to go back to 11:00 rather than 6:00 or 7;00 as it would be more 'memorable' - and thousands more died
safccfas
Midfield
Don’t forget most of these clubs will have lost players during the wars and 100’s / 1000’s of fans
What was wrong with a minute or two minute silence each season?
Now we have clubs flogging "limited edition" poppy shirts and some people (generally, not just in football) trying their best to outdo each other in how much they respect the fallen.
Quietly showing respect means so much more to vets and serving soldiers than buying a git big poppy or arguing why someone doesn't have one on their shirt
Now we have clubs flogging "limited edition" poppy shirts and some people (generally, not just in football) trying their best to outdo each other in how much they respect the fallen.
Quietly showing respect means so much more to vets and serving soldiers than buying a git big poppy or arguing why someone doesn't have one on their shirt
Steve H
Winger
The 'poppy mafia', potentially dangerous.
I remember a couple of seasons ago, North Shields put out an email informing the supporters that any player who did not wear a poppy, would be fined, what nonsense.I think this is probably typical of modern football
Lots of my relatives fought in both world wars, one of the things I presume they fought for was to live in a society where there would be freedom of choice, seems as if there is very little choice for certain people, difficult to escape the 'poppy mafia'.
If people wish to wear a poppy, that is there choice, they should not feel presure to do so.
I remember a couple of seasons ago, North Shields put out an email informing the supporters that any player who did not wear a poppy, would be fined, what nonsense.I think this is probably typical of modern football
Lots of my relatives fought in both world wars, one of the things I presume they fought for was to live in a society where there would be freedom of choice, seems as if there is very little choice for certain people, difficult to escape the 'poppy mafia'.
If people wish to wear a poppy, that is there choice, they should not feel presure to do so.
MackneyHackem
Winger
This line gives away the author's true motivation.
God forbid you’re one of those people who has any kind of anti-military sentiment.
God forbid you’re one of those people who has any kind of anti-military sentiment.
Grumpy Old Man
Striker
Not sure about then, but before that in the 60s and 70s, there wasn't anything. Remembrance then was for Remembrance Sunday, simple as that.
myleftfoot1978
Striker
I don’t buy a poppy and never have, it I don’t see what’s wrong with going over the top if the money is going to the correct places
sir rowell cummins
Striker
I totally agree with this.
I have family in the forces, friends in there who've lost best mates, i've volunteered on events with Help for Heroes and met some really amazing people but i tend not to wear a poppy or donate to this cause - mainly (but not only) because i'm more closely involved with fundraising for other causes (including homeless work) and have been slated by friends of friends aggressively in pubs in the last week cos they have a poppy on and i won't. Its getting out of hand.
I am a bit uncomfortable with the war thing - some wars are justified some it feels like we're fighting for government policy not the benefit of the country and i don't feel right about it cos it affects everyday people's lives here and overseas - but i'm more than happy for others to disagree and get involved if they think differently like many do and i totally respect people that fight for what they believe in. I don't rant at others for not doing the stuff i do. I especially genuinely feel for those who've lost mates and seen difficult things cos i can see how its affected them. Is that disrespectful or leftie ? I don't feel like it is but i'm sure i'll get pelters.
martin_s_buckley
Midfield
In this day and age, where a minute's silence/applause is held for almost every tom, dick or harry who played or in some cases supported a football club, then to have two minutes silence for those who have lost their lives in defence of this country is the least that can be done.
Ambivalent Squirrel
Winger
It’s right like. I pay my respects on Remembrance Sunday as I’ve always done.
But the whole show of trying to show you care more is pretty nauseating.
But the whole show of trying to show you care more is pretty nauseating.
Larza
Midfield
Although the younger generation probably won’t believe it they never used to be a game on a Sunday, now it’s common place. If one of the early televised matches fell on Remembrance Sunday it would have been appropriate to have the silence and I guess it has just escalated from there, not a bad thing mind as I find it touching every year.
